Talk:Serekunda

Population

What is the population and why is it bigger than Banjul? Badagnani 21:30, 16 August 2006 (UTC)

335.733 (year 2006); Banjul lies on an island and the city can´t further grow. see de:banjul, de:serekunda and de:St. Mary’s Island --Atamari 22:56, 16 August 2006 (UTC)

It's only 19.944 (Census, in 2013th year) - https://www.citypopulation.de/en/gambia/cities/ Lycan13~ruwiki (talk) 12:37, 19 July 2020 (UTC)

Telephone code in Serrekunda

Maybe add region phone code for the city? Hattiepeng (talk) 07:11, 19 April 2011 (UTC)

Did you know nomination

The following is an archived discussion of the DYK nomination of the article below. Please do not modify this page. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as this nomination's talk page, the article's talk page or Wikipedia talk:Did you know), unless there is consensus to re-open the discussion at this page. No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was: promoted by AirshipJungleman29 talk 11:24, 1 October 2024 (UTC)

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• Serekunda
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Downtown Serekunda

• ... that because the capital of the Gambia is on a small island, its population has overflowed into nearby Serekunda (pictured)?

• Source: [1] Banjul, Gambia's capital city, is positioned on St. Mary's Island at the mouth of the River Gambia and long ago reached its residential carrying capacity. Adjacent Serekunda has accommodated the overflow.

• Reviewed: Template:Did you know nominations/Dublin Castle scandal, Template:Did you know nominations/A. I. Namm & Son Department Store
• Comment: Alt hooks welcome. I may come up with a more interesting hook as I continue to expand the article.

5x expanded by Vigilantcosmicpenguin (talk). Number of QPQs required: 1. Nominator has 15 past nominations.

— Vigilant Cosmic Penguin 🐧 (talk | contribs) 00:40, 21 August 2024 (UTC).

• Going to review this later, the hook already looks interesting! 🍗TheNuggeteer🍗 04:42, 21 August 2024 (UTC)

General: Article is new enough and long enough
New enough: Long enough:

Policy: Article is sourced, neutral, and free of copyright problems
Adequate sourcing: Neutral: Free of copyright violations, plagiarism, and close paraphrasing:

Hook: Hook has been verified by provided inline citation
Cited: - Offline/paywalled citation accepted in good faith Interesting:

Image: Image is freely licensed, used in the article, and clear at 100px.
Freely licensed: Used in article: Clear at 100px:

QPQ: Done.

Overall: I don't see the article as new, needs an explanation. The hook is a book source so AGF. I see multiple un-broad sentences, like about the dictator's rule, which isn't related to the city (only a tiny bit). 🍗TheNuggeteer🍗 23:42, 22 August 2024 (UTC)

• @TheNuggeteer: Article was 5x expanded on August 19. The mentioned events of the dictator's rule took place at specific locations in Serekunda, which I think makes them relevant. — Vigilant Cosmic Penguin 🐧 (talk | contribs) 23:57, 22 August 2024 (UTC)

Good explanation, changing. 🍗TheNuggeteer🍗 00:46, 23 August 2024 (UTC)

• I would like to reopen this nomination to add another article I have expanded. — Vigilant Cosmic Penguin 🐧 (talk | contribs) 22:48, 28 August 2024 (UTC)

• ALT1: ... that because the capital of the Gambia is on a small island, its population has overflowed into Serekunda (pictured) in the nearby municipality of Kanifing?

• Source: Same as before

Kanifing 5x expanded by Vigilantcosmicpenguin (talk).

— Vigilant Cosmic Penguin 🐧 (talk | contribs) 22:48, 28 August 2024 (UTC)

• Note: reviewer needed to review second article, Kanifing, and the new ALT1 hook with both articles included. BlueMoonset (talk) 00:59, 6 September 2024 (UTC)

  Kanifing review

  Article was expanded from 1761 characters/288 words to 8988 characters/1422 words. This is on the border of x5 expansion, and some copyediting may bring this down. There are some paraphrasing concerns. The lead has "Kanifing is a municipality in the Gambia, to the west of Banjul...It includes Serrekunda, the largest urban area in the Gambia", which is very close to "Kanifing, a local government area, lies to the west of Banjul, the capital. It includes Serrekunda, the largest urban area in the country". "It has the largest population of any of the districts in the Gambia" in the lead is very similar to "Kanifing municipality has the largest population of any administrative district in the country" of the same source. "Kanifing is the most densely populated part of the Gambia" in the body is very similar to the same source's "making it the most densely populated area in The Gambia". "In 1991, it became the Kanifing Municipal Council" seems taken from "In 1991, KUDC was given the status of a municipal council, becoming Kanifing Municipal Council (KMC)", "Kanifing and Banjul comprise the Greater Banjul Area" is "Kanifing and the City of Banjul together form the Greater Banjul Area", both also from this source. There may be other areas, I have not checked every place this was cited. Some of these might be fine on their own as basic information, but seeing so many examples demonstrates the paraphrasing is too close. (While I cannot access many of the sources used here, I could access this waste management one, which does not seem closely paraphrased in the same way.) A related aside, the "Senegalese people comprise 92% of these" in the article is wrongly contextualised, the source notes 92% is for all of The Gambia, not just Kanifing. Talib Ahmed Bensouda's political party does not seem to be in the mentioned source.

  I have not re-checked the Serekunda article other than to check the hook. While I am not sure what "overtaking its status" in the body there means, the main point in the hook is supported. I find the hook interesting. A second QPQ was completed. CMD (talk) 10:58, 8 September 2024 (UTC)

  • @Chipmunkdavis: I've made tweaks to the prose to address the paraphrasing issues. I've kept the sentence "Kanifing and Banjul comprise the Greater Banjul Area" since I really don't think there's a more concise phrasing of that, and I don't know how to rephrase "the most densely populated part of the Gambia" while staying faithful to the source. I've checked for close paraphrasing from other sources and I believe I have addressed everything. Also removed the wrong statistic about refugees, thanks for pointing that out.
    As for article length, it has been expanded much more than fivefold since the expansion began. The prose size as of the revision before my edits was 561 B. — Vigilant Cosmic Penguin 🐧 (talk | contribs) 16:00, 8 September 2024 (UTC)

    You're right on the expansion, I was calculating one diff off, so my concern about length was mistaken. On the paraphrasing, there is still some rewriting needed. Shifting a few words doesn't remove the text echoing the source in style and structure. Shifting from saying the area has most of the country's coastal resorts and hotels to saying it has most of the country's hotels and coastal resorts does not read as a new piece of writing. "Youth unemployment (those aged 15–35 years) is 6.5%, lower than many districts in the country" should not be copied with a small change to "youth unemployment rate is 6.5%, lower than most of the country". The shifting of the "It includes Serrekunda" sentence did not affect its structure being lifted from the source. The salient information should be extracted from the source, not the sentences or structure. For example, the article currently has the text "...people who are 15 or older...and 254,337 who are unemployed". I've just realised that that figure doesn't match the preceding figures, so please check that, but whatever the figure is, that is a place that information about youth unemployment would naturally fit, say "Of workers between 15 and 35, just 6.5% are unemployed." CMD (talk) 17:43, 8 September 2024 (UTC)

    More tweaks made, though it may be imperfect as I'm multitasking right now. Kept the phrasing "lower than most of the country" since it's more precise than just saying it's "low". I can't think of a better phrasing for the sentence about hotels. Thanks for putting in more effort than most DYK reviewers would. And thanks for pointing out the unemployment statistic; that's the kind of blunder that happens when I've stared at PDFs with tables for a bit too long. — Vigilant Cosmic Penguin 🐧 (talk | contribs) 18:25, 8 September 2024 (UTC)

    @Chipmunkdavis: I have gone through the article and sources again and I think there are no more issues with close paraphrasing. Do you think the article meets DYK criteria now? — Vigilant Cosmic Penguin 🐧 (talk | contribs) 21:22, 15 September 2024 (UTC)

    • Thanks for the expansion. I'm still uneasy about passing with the structural similarities identified, which have not changed in the edits. I asked at WT:DYK for a second opinion but haven't heard back. In the meantime, would you be willing to request an edit at WP:GOCER? CMD (talk) 06:26, 16 September 2024 (UTC)

      Sure, yeah, I think requesting a copyedit is a good idea. I'll do that. — Vigilant Cosmic Penguin 🐧 (talk | contribs) 16:16, 16 September 2024 (UTC)

      Since the issues were with close paraphrasing and weren't answered at WT:DYK before the request was archived, I'm going to ping Nikkimaria to see whether she thinks the issues have been sufficiently addressed, since she's an expert on this sort of thing. With a two-month maximum nomination duration having become a hard and fast rule at DYK, requesting a copyedit at GOCE is no longer a feasible option at DYK, since such requests take an average of over three months to be completed. At the moment, there are still pending requests from May 2024. BlueMoonset (talk) 02:26, 17 September 2024 (UTC)

• • • I don't have access to all of the sources, but do see some minor issues among those that I have available. If there is concern about rephrasing while remaining faithful to the source, more use could be made of direct quotation. For example, Since women were banned from regular services in 2003 could be replaced with the quote "Since women were banned from the Markaz in 2003". 02:51, 17 September 2024 (UTC)

      I have tweaked that sentence on Serekunda. Nikkimaria, would you be able to take a quick look at the Kanifing article? CMD (talk) 02:27, 24 September 2024 (UTC)

      No major issues in the sources I can access. Nikkimaria (talk) 03:36, 24 September 2024 (UTC)

      Thanks very much. I think third-party approval for that counts as evaluating my copyedits, the other criteria I note as good to go so approving the hook per my review of the Kanifing page. CMD (talk) 04:53, 24 September 2024 (UTC)

Concerning the love tourism part at the introduction

Considering its the Gambia's biggest city and a good chunk of its economic muscle, having this at the start of the page seems really odd considering how much Serekunda has to offer. Not a good look either considering how overexaggerated the topic is. Visitgambia2 (talk) 19:33, 4 November 2024 (UTC)

GA Review

The following discussion is closed. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.

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This review is transcluded from Talk:Serekunda/GA1. The edit link for this section can be used to add comments to the review.

Nominator: Vigilantcosmicpenguin (talk · contribs) 22:04, 5 September 2024 (UTC)

Reviewer: Sammi Brie (talk · contribs) 17:56, 8 January 2025 (UTC)

GA review (see here for what the criteria are, and here for what they are not)
It is reasonably well written. a (prose, spelling, and grammar): b (MoS for lead, layout, word choice, fiction, and lists): It is factually accurate and verifiable, as shown by a source spot-check. a (references): b (citations to reliable sources): c (OR): d (copyvio and plagiarism): It is broad in its coverage. a (major aspects): b (focused): It follows the neutral point of view policy. Fair representation without bias: It is stable. No edit wars, etc.: It is illustrated by images, where possible and appropriate. a (images are tagged and non-free images have fair use rationales): b (appropriate use with suitable captions):
Overall: Pass/Fail:
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Some copy changes, mostly. Your style tends to lead to lots of shorter, choppier sentences, which sticks out in a few places. The only real missing content piece, in my view, is something about education. Ping me when addressed. Sammi Brie (she/her • t • c) 18:47, 8 January 2025 (UTC)

• @Sammi Brie: Alright, I think I've addressed everything here. — Vigilant Cosmic Penguin 🐧 (talk | contribs) 20:43, 8 January 2025 (UTC)

Did you know? If you fancy doing so, I always have plenty of GA nominees to review. Just look for the all-uppercase titles in the Television section. Reviews always appreciated.

Copy changes

• It may be worth pointing out that Serekunda's "city" size is relatively small. Looking at the Settlements table in Kanifing, there are five settlements with larger populations. Is that whole area commonly considered Serekunda?
  • Many sources referring to "Serekunda" actually refer to things outside of the settlement proper. For example, the section on "Tablighi Jamaat" refers to Bundung as a neighborhood of Serekunda, since that's what the source says, but the census lists it as its own settlement. I'm pretty sure I read a source specifically stating that the term "Serekunda" may refer to the larger area, so I'll try to find that and add it in.
    • I'm going to hold on passing, Vigilantcosmicpenguin, until you tell me you can't find that source. It feels a little too important to glide over. Sammi Brie (she/her • t • c) 00:55, 9 January 2025 (UTC)

  @Sammi Brie: Found it! The source lists four major towns that comprise the area known as Serekunda. — Vigilant Cosmic Penguin 🐧 (talk | contribs) 03:02, 9 January 2025 (UTC)

• I notice that the University of the Gambia article says it is in Serekunda but there is no section on educational institutions.
  • I looked for sources but they mostly say it's in Kanifing, so I put it in the article Kanifing. In fact, I'll remove the mention of the university in the "history" section here, since it'd fit better in the article on the university anyway.

History

• The street of his home was named Sayerr Jobe Avenue. "street of his home" sounds awkward. "street on which his home was located" perhaps?
  • Done
• The coup's leaders held covert meetings in the city. Jagne was arrested on charges of supporting the coup. He was released one week before the 1982 election. The NCP lost support due to the coup. Very choppy sentences in this stretched.
  • Rephrased
• I notice Serrekunda with two Rs is also an acceptable spelling; is there a reason it starts getting used midway through for parliamentary constituencies?
  • I presumed that the two-R spelling was the official spelling, but on second thought, the website of the municipality uses one R. I'll change it to the one-R spelling.

Geography

• Is there enough information available to create a climate chart like some U.S. and world city pages have?
  • Looks like the Gambian government does not have its climate data available on the internet like the US does. Also, the nearest meteorological station appears to be in Banjul (according to this government website).

Economy

• Sayerr Jobe Avenue has shops whose storefronts advertise to people walking or driving on the street. This feels almost banal or filler. Is there something noteworthy about it?
  • In hindsight, really not sure why I included this. There's already a mention of the avenue and its shops in the "Transportation" section, so this is redundant if not irrelevant.
• "A lot of" doesn't sound very encyclopedic.
  • Changed

Tourism

• Serekunda/Banjul Consider an endash instead of a slash: Serekunda–Banjul
  • Done
• Are there more updated figures than 2008?
  • No, this is the only source I found with specific statistics.
• I notice Visitgambia2 has complained about sex tourism mentions, but we also have a hefty El País article on it in the country. It's clearly still being discussed in the media.
  • The user was specifically concerned with the mention in the lead section, which they considered undue. But I agree that it's significant enough to be mentioned in the lead, given the coverage.

Sport

• The Gambia National Olympic Committee's Sport Infrastructure Initiative Project completed a mini stadium in Serekunda in 2001, which opened in 2007. This doesn't make sense: completed in 2001, opened in 2007?
  • The phrasing from the source: "[...] only two (Farafenni and Serekunda East) were completed in 2001 and opened in 2007."

Notable people

• A citation is needed for Mass Manga.
  • I've removed the section altogether, since it was added by someone without a citation. I was going to expand the section based on Category:People from Serekunda, but the majority of these articles do not cite the statement, and it's not super necessary to have the section.

Sourcing and spot checks

Reviewed: 6, 16 (having access troubles with sourcing), 18, 29, 34, 50, 56, 62, 80 (paywall)

• The first use of [6] should cite pages 139–142, not just 139. Semega-Janneh's name doesn't appear until p142.
  • Done
• No other issues I spotted, though these journal sources sometimes do not want to load for me.

Images

All the images appear to be libre licensed, including the ones for which Atamari seems to have requested and received permission from the photographers years ago.

• • I just realized the photos in the infobox are not in Serekunda. The previous photo of downtown Serekunda was replaced because it was outdated, so I'm changing it to a more recent photo of downtown. Sorry for making you review a different image at this point; I feel like I should've made this change earlier.
    • The replacement image is also appropriately licensed. Sammi Brie (she/her • t • c) 00:53, 9 January 2025 (UTC)

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