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Section size for Russian information war against Ukraine (63 sections)
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(Top)	5,711	5,711
Background	75	15,820
Doctrine	1,733	1,733
Reasons for the conflict	32	14,012
Revanchism	8,816	8,816
History of the war	5,164	5,164
Information operations	28	93,539
Censorship	4,693	4,693
Telecommunications	3,994	3,994
Internet infrastructure	2,647	2,647
War propaganda	21,300	21,300
Control of news outlets	87	25,262
Public relations	2,913	2,913
Ukraine	11,156	11,156
Russia	3,549	7,344
RT	3,795	3,795
Russian interference with Ukrainian media	3,762	3,762
Methods and resources	29	35,615
Disinformation	2,250	17,058
Falsehoods and adamant denials	584	14,808
2014	2,751	2,751
Malaysia Airlines Flight 17	5,449	5,449
2022	6,024	6,024
Tropes	6,151	6,151
Social media	1,935	12,377
Access to social media	2,635	2,635
Attempts to censor Russian Wikipedia	7,807	7,807
Timeline	14	49,395
2014	1,376	23,463
January	1,686	1,686
February	5,280	5,280
March	2,330	2,330
April	3,551	3,551
May	1,673	1,673
June	1,187	1,187
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October	1,673	1,673
December	708	708
2015	12	5,298
January	1,355	1,355
February	2,025	2,025
March	1,526	1,526
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2016	1,979	1,979
2017	759	759
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2021	3,834	3,834
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March	8,629	8,629
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Results	2,010	2,010
Countermeasures	2,916	19,684
Zelenskyy	8,020	12,862
Propaganda in other countries	4,842	4,842
Memes	3,906	3,906
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Picture with narrative of ukrainian nazi soldiers posing for a picture

This picture has been circulating social media:

https://twitter.com/kavin9587/status/1542631965739782144

with the narrative of saying that those are ukrainian nazi soldiers holding flags of the AZOV battalion, NATO and nazi austria.

Origin: Doing a reverse image search the original source on tineye the oldest i could find is this http://www.wykop.pl/ludzie/jast/ posted on 29/11/2014-EU with snapshot on 01/12/2014-EU showing the picture published on polish wykop.pl forum here https://www.wykop.pl/wpis/10331404/ukraina-ukrainainfo-5-piw-dla-chlopakow-poprosze

Analysis: Checking the picture against https://29a.ch/photo-forensics/#forensic-magnifier it finds errors basically everywhere including manipulated flags, marking on the vehicles, etc..

https://i.imgur.com/PEII8pl.png

Looking closer on the knees of the soldiers you can see evidence of blending in a photo editing software

Thus concluded that the whole picture is fabricated with components taken from multiple photos to defame ukrainian army

-- Kreyren (talk) 09:01, 1 July 2022 (UTC)[reply]

thank you. I will look into this. Elinruby (talk) 17:45, 21 November 2022 (UTC)[reply]

First sentence

The first sentences seems misleading. Yes, Gerasimov is known for being quoted by Mark Galeotti, but a "Russian concept of information war" has been around much longer. Jolanta Darczewska, for example, extensively quotes Igor Panarin, who wrote at least six books about information war in Russian between 2003 and 2012 (see The anatomy of Russian information warfare. The Crimean operation, a case study, p. 15, n. 8–9). In his 2012 book Information World War II – War against Russia he also wrote about that supposed "Western information war" that Galeotti attributed to Gerasimov. -- Anselm Schmidt (talk) 18:22, 8 August 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Yes, this is definitely incorrect. Gerasimov was not the first, although he is widely "credited" as main proponent of hybrid war in Russia. My very best wishes (talk) 02:59, 20 August 2022 (UTC)[reply]

I agree. I know it's much later, but I haven't edited the article recently, although I am edging my way into updating it. This definitely should be fixed. Does either of you want to suggest a better wording? It is my understanding that Gerasimov actually said that the West does this to Russia, which should respond in kind. Thoughts? Elinruby (talk) 17:52, 21 November 2022 (UTC)[reply]

@Anselm Schmidt:, @My very best wishes:, it's been a while and you probably are not watching the page, so pinging Elinruby (talk) 17:58, 21 November 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Mention Russia's proposal in December 2021

This article does not seem to mention anything about Russia's proposal in December 2021 for ensuring a stable security situation in Europe.

references: http://en.wiki.x.io/wiki/Russian_December_2021_ultimatum https://www.theguardian.com/world/2021/dec/17/russia-issues-list-demands-tensions-europe-ukraine-nato 2601:647:6380:18B0:4963:3F5:F0D3:181A (talk) 05:49, 2 October 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Yes the proposals contain several points, such as:

A guarantee that NATO would not admit new members and that it would not deploy additional troops or weapons in the existing member states.

A revision of the 1997 NATO–Russia Founding Act, (which regulates the military activities and cooperation between NATO and Russia), and a withdrawal of NATO's war-fighting capabilities from the territories of the former Soviet Union.

A recognition of Russia's interests and role in ensuring stability in the post-Soviet space, and a respect for its sovereignty and territorial integrity.

Calling a halt to the deployment of intermediate-range and shorter-range missiles in Europe, and a dialogue on strategic stability and arms control.

A reform of the OSCE to make it more representative, inclusive, and effective in addressing the security challenges and conflicts in Europe.

Despite a number of useful ideas, the article does not mention the suggested agreement - now why might that be? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 95.149.166.141 (talk) 18:55, 6 December 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Wiki Education assignment: English 102 Section 5

This article was the subject of a Wiki Education Foundation-supported course assignment, between 9 January 2024 and 3 May 2024. Further details are available on the course page. Student editor(s): Jweat24 (article contribs).

— Assignment last updated by DoctorBeee (talk) 19:16, 11 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]

lack of citations concerning why information bits from russian media is false

Hello, I was examining this page in order to check how deep the Russian (dis)information campaign is. The most notable one I can think of is under the July-August 2014 subheading, there is a bullet point describing how an interview with Bohdan Butkevych was twisted in order to make it sound like he was calling for the killings of 1.5 million Donbas residents. There are citations leading to the fakes themselves, but there are not any citations for the counterclaim nor in depth explanations of what actually happened. Is it alright to fix these? 2601:58A:8300:3CA0:B080:12A7:6D31:A209 (talk) 23:57, 11 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]