Talk:Runs produced

Redefining Runs Produced?

Runs Produced has always been R + RBI - HR. Always has been. Sure, its not very accurate and is one of the most commonly picked on stats, but we can't redefine it after all these years. This article needs to be rewritten. I'm OK with directing users towards more accurate metrics, but we can't change the formulas after all these years.DavidRF (talk) 20:49, 28 June 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Proper definition of runs produced?

Where is the evidence that runs produced has always been defined as R+RBI-HR? If it predates the Internet, a source shouldn't be hard to find. Runs produced defined as (R+RBI)/2 has been used at least on the Internet since before the runs produced entry was started on Wikipedia. Without a source for the first formula, there's no justification for eliminating the second. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Brian Buerke (talk • contribs) 16:31, 29 June 2010 (UTC)[reply]

RP is from the 1970s at least. See [1]. No one has ever liked the stat, though, and the (R+RBI)/2 was seen as a logical "fix" for it. That said, sabermetrician Tom Tango disagrees [2]. I could try to track down the books from the 70s/80s to get a solid citation. This is all just for stats-history purposes, though, no one would use either formula today as both R & RBI are lineup dependent.DavidRF (talk) 17:12, 29 June 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Respond here please.DavidRF (talk) 20:42, 29 June 2010 (UTC)[reply]

OK. Added a citation from a mid-90s print edition of Total Baseball. I don't know what the formulas you were posting were. Those sound like something else. It could be that it has a different name and should have a separate article.DavidRF (talk) 01:19, 30 June 2010 (UTC)[reply]

no team RP

There is no such thing as team RP. This is because RP is how many of a team's runs a player participates in, either by scoring the run, by batting in the run, or both. In this sense a team participates in every run it scores, so a team's RP would simply be equal to its runs. 108.49.32.70 (talk) 13:47, 13 October 2018 (UTC)[reply]

alternate formula is flawed

"…alternate formula which is the average of a player's runs scored and runs batted in. Here, when a player scores a run, he shares the credit with the batter who drove him in." This incorrectly assumes all runs scored are batted in. For example, in 2018 Red Sox scored 876 runs of which 829 were batted in. An RBI is not awarded if a run scores on a double play, a wild pitch, a passed ball, a balk, or a steal of home. An RBI is also not awarded on an error, unless the scorer judges the run would have scored even without the error. 108.49.32.70 (talk) 22:16, 13 October 2018 (UTC)[reply]