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Moldova/Moldovans issue reloaded

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Since when are Romanians in Moldova Romanians in the diaspora? --Tēlex 17:24, 19 July 2006 (UTC)[reply]

OK, I am tired of the one and the same user carrying the same disputable POV that "Moldovans and Romanians are one and the same" from one article, where it was rejected, into another one just to start it all over. In articles on top on my priority list, I rewrite that stuff. This one is not among them and I have no time to rewrite it. However, I note that the data is again presented contrary to the official national censuses where people without coersion let that be known that they consider themselves Moldovans rather than Romanians. I am tagging the article.
Moldovans don't consider themselves Moldovans rather than Romanians, only Russian and Ukrainian people who live in the Republic of Moldova say that, because they want to get closer to the ex soviet states and farther away from Romania, especially since Romania is a EU and NATO member. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 81.180.224.38 (talk) 04:56, 11 August 2008 (UTC)[reply]
That is Romanian propaganda; Moldovans consider themselves Moldavians, not Romanians/Wallachians (and they never considered themselves anything else but Moldavians). Klehus (talk) 16:56, 12 August 2022 (UTC)[reply]


Another erroneous statement the article makes is that it even calls Moldovans and Romanians of Moldova and Bukovina by the word "diaspora". Those people are the native population of those areas and calling them "diaspora" is plain wrong. Please rewrite the article. Until then, article tagged. --Irpen 04:52, 6 November 2006 (UTC)[reply]
Until 1991 the Republic of Moldova was one of the 15 republics of the

USSR. Besides the Russian, official on all USSR, each republic had its own official national language. 67% was the proportion of Moldavians in the entire population of the republic (official soviet census). Soviets decided: the language of Moldavians is the Moldavian. They also decided: Moldavian language is an oriental modern Latin language close to the Romanian but different.The conclusion is simple: Moldavian is not Romanian, then Moldavians are not Romanians. Considering Moldova a territory between Romania and the Soviet Union, also considering Moldova as an economically non viable independent country (which was true after the independence of 1991) the only question is: unite Moldova with USSR (changed today into Ukraine and Russia) or unite Moldova with Romania? Since Romanians are not inhabiting Moldova, and Russians plus Ukrainians are about 25%, then Moldova should join Russia, or Ukraine , or be divided between these two countries. The second opinion: Moldavians are those Romanians living at the N-E of the capital city (of Romania) Bucharest (2.6 million inhabitants for the city) at a distance of 150 to 600 km. Statistics of Bucharest show that: 30% of the inhabitants are 90-100% Moldavians, and 50% of Bucharest population is between 10% to 100% Moldavian. That happens because: the population of the 40 largest cities of Romania grew 10 times between 1900 and 1990 years. In the neighbouring Hungary this process happened between 1800-1900 years (According to Encyclopedia Britannica ). So most of Romanian urban population comes from rural areas where the birth rate is much higher than in urban areas, and especially from regions like Moldova (with a birth rate 3-4 times bigger than the national average). Moldova is the only European country with a Russian military base. Around the base the Dnistrian Republic (unrecognized) has been created The only language that can be used there is the Russian, although Russians (colonized in the area) are only 19% of the Dnistrian population. The only enemies Russian soldier fights against on Dniester river are Latin alphabet Romanian books. The "great" difference between Romanian and Moldovian was the POLITICAL will of the Soviet Union, that took the literary Romanian, written with Latin alphabet and translated it into Cyrillic alphabet. Fact: the major difference between Croatian and Serbian languages is the Latin alphabet used by the first, and the Cyrillic used by the second. Consequence: several thousand deaths in civil war. ~~--Sorinutsu —Preceding unsigned comment added by 87.239.161.172 (talk) 14:48, 9 March 2008 (UTC)[reply]

CIS

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In this context, does it include Moldova and Ukraine? If not, we should make that clear. Biruitorul 08:41, 20 November 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Late reply (I know), but the Commonwealth of Independent States may have upwards to 3 million Romanians according to some ethnographic authorities. Most of them live in European Russia, but widely scattered across Siberia and are usually of Moldavian origin of the Republic of Moldovia and western parts of Ukraine. The historical boundaries of Romanians (aka Vlachs) extended northward to present-day southern Poland (Galicia) with the Carpatho-Romanians of Slovakia and Belarus, and the estimated 50,000 Romanians reportedly living in western Turkey whom settled there during the Ottoman Empire era (late 18th to early 20th centuries) when parts of the Romanian homeland was under the Turks (i.e. the Megleno-Romanians in Macedonia, parts of Bulgaria and Serbia; and Thrace, Greece).

The Romanian diaspora forgot to mention some Romanians migrated to the Russo-Chinese (or Sino-Russian) border (the Amur River valley) in the late 19th/early 20th centuries. Some Romanian villages can be found in Manchuria on the Chinese side of the Amur, although I expect a very small number of Romanians in the present-day. They fled to China to escape communist oppression until the country was first occupied by Japan as the Manchukuo prefecture in 1931-45 and finally the Communists took over mainland China in 1945-49. Romanian immigration to Japan has slightly increased since 1980 to either obtain much-needed work or for political asylum, but a relatively small community of Romanians are found there. + 71.102.53.48 (talk) 17:07, 24 May 2008 (UTC)[reply]

France

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60.000 is a really bad estimate. Many sources say there are more than 500.000 (!) Romanians in France (also on Wikipedia [1]). There are many many more Romanians in France, this number should be corrected as it's not realistic at all. 82.171.95.220 (talk) 19:38, 24 October 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Western Europe (esp. Spain and France,

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I suggest to change France with Italy. Quite 700.000 Romanian live in Italy and just 80.000 in France. So France is really out of place in that statement —Preceding unsigned comment added by Firestorm81 (talk • contribs) 21:19, 8 December 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Romanian diaspora in Israel

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I am surprised you did not count the Romanian Diaspora in Israel. In the 50's - 80's several hundreds of thousands of Romanians immigrated to Israel. some still consider themselves as Romanian and many (if not most of them) have Romanian citizenship and passports.

It is a very large community who shouldn't be left out. please correct this article. thank you. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Pointergod (talk • contribs) 16:06, 12 November 2011 (UTC)[reply]


I'm currently undertaking this issue. I'm doing some research to try to establish the number of Israelis with Romanian heritage. I will post my results here. Fastardul (talk) 12:41, 9 December 2011 (UTC)[reply]


Several thousands before WW1, and 313,396 Jewish Romanians migrated to Israel between WW1 to 1995. My estimate would be a total of about 400,000 (not considering Jewish Romanians who was born outside Romania). the Jewish Romanian community in Israel usually marry within itself, due to common customs and culture. the Jewish Romanians never stopped loving Romania and still feel it's their second home. they vacation in Romania a lot but afraid from living there due to a high level of antisemitism in the country.

Semi-protected edit request on 8 April 2015

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After 2007

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Pie chart Romanian diaspora inside the EU between 2008 and 2012

Romanian population in the European Union has significantly increased since the entrance of Romania in the EU from January 1st, 2007. Romania's entrance in the European Union has simplified the movements of the people inside Europe. 73.5% of the Romanian people that have left for Italia are workers, 23.5% are members of their family and the other ones are working in other fields or are students. This example can be applied to most of the countries of European Union. In 2008, the INSSE (national institute of statistics in Romania) has counted over 61,400 citizens that have migrated to countries forming part of the European Union. This is an increase of 11% compared to the previous year. 2012, has been the year when the Romanian diaspora has started to stabilize after their entrance in the EU, only 3,000 Romanians have migrated to EU during that year. Those datas could have been a lot higher if the crisis would not have happened at the same time. After 2008 many Romanians have started to come back to Romania because of the job losses that the crisis had brought. Nevertheless, between 2008 and 2012 the migrations wave from Romania towards other countries from the European Union have changed. (cf. following pie chart).

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References

  1. ^ Stefan Stanciugelu, "Al patrulea val", Fundatia Soros, 2011
  2. ^ Augustin Abraham, "3 milioane de români, la muncă în străinătate", Jurnalul National, 2009
  3. ^ Alexandra Pele, "HARTA EMIGRAŢIEI. Câţi români au plecat din ţară în ultimii 25 de ani. TOPUL destinaţiilor preferate", Gandul, 2014

Romanian Romani Diaspora

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Romani in Romania in 2012

Romani diaspora towards Romania began 600 years ago. Romani are unevenly spread inside Romania (cf. following map). Romanian Romani have started in the past years with the entrance of Romania in the European Union in 2007 to leave Romania for various reasons. After the downfall of the communist regime in December 1989, the Romani have started to be discriminated in Romania, due to privileges that would have been given to them during the communist period. Therefore moving to another country has been a way for them to start a new life. Nevertheless, Romani people move to foreign countries to try to give a better life for their children. On the first hand because their children can access to education more easily in those foreign countries and without suffering of the same discrimination as the one they are facing in Romania. On the other hand, Romani parents are hopping to earn more money in those countries so they can climb up the social scale. [1]

References

  1. ^ Manon Duret, "Pourquoi les Roms quittent-ils la Roumanie ?", Le Journal Internationall, 2013

Max hfr (talk) 14:03, 8 April 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Not done: it's not clear what changes you want to be made. Please mention the specific changes in a "change X to Y" format. Mlpearc (open channel) 14:17, 8 April 2015 (UTC)[reply]

total numbers

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Almost 10 million Romanians are living abroad, in historical communities or in Diaspora, according to official numbers presented by the minister for Romanians living outside the country, Natalia Intotero. https://business-review.eu/business/huge-diaspora-almost-10-million-romanians-are-living-abroad-203482 Thisexistswelp (talk) 23:40, 3 July 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Orphaned references in Romanian diaspora

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I check pages listed in Category:Pages with incorrect ref formatting to try to fix reference errors. One of the things I do is look for content for orphaned references in wikilinked articles. I have found content for some of Romanian diaspora's orphans, the problem is that I found more than one version. I can't determine which (if any) is correct for this article, so I am asking for a sentient editor to look it over and copy the correct ref content into this article.

Reference named "auto":

  • From Romanians: Anna Comnena, The Alexiad, English translation: Elisabeth Dawes, London, 1928: https://sourcebooks.fordham.edu/basis/AnnaComnena-Alexiad.asp Archived 6 April 2023 at the Wayback Machine
  • From 2009 Romanian presidential election: "Tăriceanu: "Datele problemei sunt cu totul altele. Fiecare partid are un interes propriu". Despre refuzul lui Antonescu de a discuta cu PD-L: "E bine să avem și păreri personale"". 23 April 2012.
  • From The Guardian: "Guardian cartoon of cow in relation to Priti Patel sparks outrage amongst diaspora in Britain". The Hindu. 9 March 2020. Archived from the original on 11 September 2020. Retrieved 6 August 2020.

Reference named "auto1":

I apologize if any of the above are effectively identical; I am just a simple computer program, so I can't determine whether minor differences are significant or not. Feel free to remove this comment after fixing the refs. AnomieBOT⚡ 04:15, 14 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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