Talk:Remington Model 1858

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this page may need to be spell cheaked --KeraDahlin 10:04, 28 December 2006 (UTC)

This page has been expanded and spell checked, 2 July, 2007.

I put finishing touches on my contributions to OVERVIEW, DESIGN and MODERN USE. I also added four references, and noted the reference link in my article contribution. The beginning of the article above OVERVIEW inaccurately states that Confederate gunmakers copied the Remington design. The text included in the photo box also has some inaccuracies concerning the Remington percussion revolvers. I do not know how to change these particular problems.Glnelson1956 14:20, 11 August 2007 (UTC)glnelson1956Glnelson1956 14:20, 11 August 2007 (UTC)

No mention of barrel metal

High carbon steel?--69.149.222.132 (talk) 07:00, 21 August 2012 (UTC)

Can't find a reference for it. --Scalhotrod - Just your average banjo playing, drag racing, cowboy... (talk) 16:09, 23 August 2013 (UTC)

Self-published sources

My understanding is that articles can't cite "self-published sources" unless the author is an expert in the field who's been previously published. WP:SPS I see two sources in this article that appear to violate that policy:

http://civilwarhandgun.com/remington.htm
http://www.nrvoutdoors.com/COLTREM/COLT%20OR%20REMINGTON.htm

Unless someone can point out how these authors are published experts, I'll go ahead and delete the sources and the text which cites them. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Rezin (talk • contribs) 18:48, 27 October 2014 (UTC)

How are you determining that these sources are "self published? Also, would you mind citing the specific text and associated sources. It would be better if we could just find replacements (or improvement) rather than wholesale deletion. --SChotrod - Just your average banjo playing, drag racing, cowboy... (Talk) ☮ღ☺ 03:03, 28 October 2014 (UTC)

I'm just trying to help. Here are the citations in question: [1][2][3] I checked the "about" or home pages. Kerry Barlow is the author and owner of one website. The other author says on his home page, "This site is here to present the NRV as this outdoorsman sees and experiences it. It's very personalized, a sort of rambling blog, and it reflects my viewpoints and interests, but friends who are wonderful writers sometimes add their own contributions." Maybe I'm misinterpreting those facts or the policy. Should we keep inadequate sources or unsourced material? I got the impression that we generally remove unsourced claims, but please let me know if I have the wrong idea. If these facts are important they'll be in another source, right? When someone finds those sources the facts can be re-added. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Rezin (talk • contribs) 18:29, 28 October 2014 (UTC)

Ah, good work, seems like your digging revealed some holes we need to patch. And yes, important facts should be easy to substantiate. I'm happy to help research as well. Generally speaking, its better to research and replace, than just delete. A huge amount of content is lost daily that way. Worst case scenario, I can always email Roy Marcot (of the Remington Society) to ask for sources on just about anything Remington related. I used to help him edit the quarterly magazine for the organization. Best regards, --SChotrod - Just your average banjo playing, drag racing, cowboy... (Talk) ☮ღ☺ 18:49, 28 October 2014 (UTC)

Cool. There's a lot of articles with similar 'holes' - I just started here at random after getting no response on the firearms project page. But if you have an inside track on sources about antique Remingtons maybe we should review those too and clean them up all at once. While we're at it, the "Modern use" could use some sources too. Rezin (talk) 19:05, 28 October 2014 (UTC)

When it rains it pours. These two books appear to be self-published:

"Round Ball to Rimfire, Part 3", Dean S. Thomas, 2003, Chapter 1, "Federal Arsenals", pages 1 through 10 

[Published by Thomas Publications, which is owned by Dean Thomas]

"Percussion Pistols and Revolvers", Mike Cumpston and Johnny Bates, 2005, Chapter 23, "Shooting the 1858 Remington Army and Navy Revolvers", ballistics table beginning on page 132 

[Published by iUniverse, a vanity press.]

If these authors have been previously published by reputable publishers and are considered experts in this field then they'd qualify for an exemption, if I understand correctly. Rezin (talk) 19:17, 28 October 2014 (UTC)

Ugh, OK, time for me the crack some books open. I have a decent collection on most of the "cowboy guns", anything made initially prior to 1899. By the way, we should review the articles for the 1875 and 1890 models as well. Probably similar holes. --SChotrod - Just your average banjo playing, drag racing, cowboy... (Talk) ☮ღ☺ 16:45, 29 October 2014 (UTC)

I've only got one reference at hand which covers this, and unfortunately its author was more in in the 1861 model. But I'll see what I can add. Rezin (talk) 18:07, 29 October 2014 (UTC)

Hey, speaking of sources, want to help me write an article about one of them, Flayderman's Guide? --SChotrod - Just your average banjo playing, drag racing, cowboy... (Talk) ☮ღ☺ 16:49, 29 October 2014 (UTC)

I'd like to help. Finding sources about a source may be tricky though. Maybe Flayderman himself would be an easier subject. [4][5] Rezin (talk) 18:07, 29 October 2014 (UTC)

Good work finding those sources. I'm sure that we could work in elements of both. Since he's passed, we wouldn't have to worry (as much) about BLP strictness. I think a bio article with a significant section devoted to his book would be a great article. And if we end up with enough info, we can always spin off a separate article about the book. By the way, if you run across stuff for or about George Madis, post those links too. He's another on my list, basically THE Winchester guy. --SChotrod - Just your average banjo playing, drag racing, cowboy... (Talk) ☮ღ☺ 03:41, 30 October 2014 (UTC)

"Remington-Beals Model" misnomer?

If Model 1858 is "Remington-Beals Model Revolver(s)", then what is Remington-Beals 1st Model (5-round percussion cap revolver first available in c.1856) [6][7] and its successors the 2nd- and 3rd Model(s) supposed to be? From my knowledge Model 1858 is mostly known as the "Army" and/or "Navy" (with a Remington-Rider Double Action sister model)... --TrickShotFinn (talk) 11:24, 20 October 2023 (UTC)