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Is the info about the bank in the right place?

There is a lot of information here about one bank. They did do a great job of fighting redlining, but is this article the right place for that? futurebird

Black/White Wealth Gap Section Bias

Uses too many quotes from partisan sources (Center for American Progress, a progressive public policy research and advocacy organization founded by John Podesta)

Also an obviously biased, divisive, and partisan tone driven by identity politics: "Unfortunately, wealth is unevenly distributed on a basis of race, a process then can be traced back to times of slavery, allowing whites to profit off bodies of an enslaved people, who were not allowed to live freely or build any wealth of some sort. Then, shortly after we experience Jim crow, redlining, prison-industrial complex and mass incarceration, environmental racism, law and policy that prohibit people of color from having the same liberties as their white counterparts. History shows an America built off the oppression of a disenfranchised people who have no direct relationship to power and wealth."

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Opening sentence / definition

The opening sentence needs work in my opinion.

Current: "Redlining is a discriminatory practice in which services (financial and otherwise) are withheld from potential customers who reside in neighborhoods classified as "hazardous" to investment; these neighborhoods have significant numbers of racial and ethnic minorities, and low-income residents."

Suggested change: "Redlining is a discriminatory practice in which financial services are withheld from potential customers who reside in neighborhoods with significant numbers of racial and ethnic minorities."

Or: "Redlining is a discriminatory practice in which financial services are withheld from neighborhoods with significant numbers of racial and ethnic minorities."

The "low-income residents" part should removed since elsewhere in the article it is stated "investigative reporter Bill Dedman demonstrated how Atlanta banks would often lend in lower-income white neighborhoods but not in middle-income or even upper-income Black neighborhoods."

Any criticism, suggestions or feedback?

- IOHANNVSVERVS (talk) 15:38, 9 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Maybe: "Redlining is a discriminatory practice in which services (typically financial services) are withheld from neighborhoods with significant numbers of racial and ethnic minorities." IOHANNVSVERVS (talk) 15:46, 9 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]

I implemented the following wording: "Redlining is a discriminatory practice in which services (typically financial services) are withheld from neighborhoods that have significant numbers of racial and ethnic minorities." IOHANNVSVERVS (talk) 16:27, 9 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Adding to opening paragraph

Would it be appropriate to add to the opening paragraph something to the effect of: "Redlining has been most prominent in the United States of America, and was mostly directed against Black inner city neighborhoods."?

- IOHANNVSVERVS (talk) 16:31, 9 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Or: "Redlining has been most prominent in the United States of America, and has mostly affected African-American neighborhoods." IOHANNVSVERVS (talk) 20:53, 9 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]

I added "Redlining has been most prominent in the United States of America, and has mostly been directed against African-Americans." to the lead. IOHANNVSVERVS (talk) 06:28, 13 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Adding to Current Issues

Is it possible to somehow link a website that has current redlining maps in the US. There is a website to do this, but is it appropriate to add to this context. Moon straw (talk) 06:24, 13 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]

What is the website/link? IOHANNVSVERVS (talk) 06:29, 13 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Adding to health inequality section: Another outcome associated with redlining is varying cancer outcomes. For example, a study published in JAMA Network found non-redlined areas to have more favorable breast cancer outcomes among non-Latina white women. Beyond cancer outcomes, as discovered in research published by the Journal of American College of Surgeons, redlining is also attributed to lower cancer screening rates, adjusted for social vulnerability and access to care, across all three types of cancer included in the study: breast cancer, colorectal cancer, and cervical cancer. In the study, using national census-data from 2020 on redlining grades and cancer screening rates, it was found that for breast cancer, there were 24% lower odds of being screened in redlined versus non-redlined neighborhoods, 64% lower odds for colorectal cancer, and 79% lower odds in cervical cancer. Researchers attributed this chasm to poverty, lack of education, and limited English proficiency. It is important that strategies to combat screening disparities be structurally competent and location-specific, as Amanda Harper, senior staff writer at Ohio State's Comprehensive Cancer Center – James Cancer Hospital and Solove Research Institute writes. For example, if transportation is a barrier, travel vouchers or mobile clinics should be employed. The health inequalities that arise from redlining manifest in many forms, and cancer outcomes and screening are two ways redlined communities present differences when compared to non-redlined communities.

Despite overall life expectancy improving, discrepancies remain between the life expectancies of different racial groups (1). The concentration of disparities in minority neighborhoods, reinforced by redlining, has resulted in worse health outcomes and lower life expectancies in these neighborhoods (1,2). Continued economic isolation and property devaluation resulting from redlining have widened the differences in life expectancy between redlined communities and neighboring highly-rated communities (5). When comparing redlined neighborhoods to highly-graded neighborhoods by the HOLC, life expectancy in redlined communities is on average 3.6 years lower.; Hhowever, there is significant variation in this difference among different cities (1). In Baltimore, red or yellow rated communities had a life expectancy five years shorter than communities rated green or blue (3). In Richmond, Virginia, one predominantly black neighborhood has a life expectancy of 21 years shorter than that of a nearby predominantly white neighborhood, which had been highly rated by the HOLC in the 1930s (4).

Add under “Strategies to reverse effects of redlining” section

Moreover, residents of historically redlined neighborhoods face risks for worse health outcomes and lower life expectancies. Healthcare professionals play a crucial role in efforts to reverse the impact of redlining on adverse health outcomes (1). Metzl and Hansen propose that the U.S. medical education system should train healthcare professionals to recognize the larger structural contexts and social and economic conditions that influence patient health outcomes, including the legacy of redlining (2). Infusing clinical training with structural awareness allows healthcare providers to consider the structural barriers that shape patients’ health and illness. The faculty at Wayne State University School of Medicine in Detroit, Michigan launched a course called “Healing Between the Lines” to teach medical students and residents about the effects of structural injustices on health, including historical redlining as a “critical driver” of the life expectancy gap of Detroit (3). From a healthcare policy perspective, Egede and other scholars recommend Medicaid expansion, Medicaid coverage mandatorily including Community Health Worker services, value-based health system payments, and federal incentives for expanding hospitals and clinics. Healthcare providers and individuals in the healthcare system are crucial in addressing the long-lasting health consequences of historical redlining (1).

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"Most prominent in the United States"

"Most prominent" [in the United States] is a very unscientific phrase and "has been" suggests the condition has existed for all time. No source is given for this majestically sweeping statement and unless "most prominent" simply means "most talked about," the assertion is impossible to credit. WmDKing (talk) 19:30, 1 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]