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Requested move 10 June 2015

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The following is a closed discussion of a requested move. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on the talk page. Editors desiring to contest the closing decision should consider a move review. No further edits should be made to this section.

The result of the move request was: moved. The consensus is to use the name of the emperor to disambiguate for Qi, and "Five Dynasties period" to disambiguate for the latter three. Jenks24 (talk) 16:14, 22 June 2015 (UTC)[reply]



– These 4 states are associated with the 10th-century Five Dynasties and Ten Kingdoms period in China, but they are not among the "Five Dynasties" nor the "Ten Kingdoms", and as such, the current disambiguators are confusing and technically incorrect. Discussions at User_talk:Nlu/archive76#Titles and User_talk:Nlu#These_states_again with User:Nlu generated some choices, but nothing perfect. Presently I feel using the warlord's name is the best approach to identify these states. Timmyshin (talk) 03:19, 10 June 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks for more info Timmyshin. Hmm, I think "Qi (Five Dynasties period)" might be good enough per WP:PRIMARYTOPIC. Only adding "period" to it makes it at least clearer than the current title. The Southern Tang is also occasionally called "Great Qi" but its infobox doesn't say that's simply called "Qi" without adding "Great" to it. Even if it is, I guess "Qi (Five Dynasties period)" qualifies as the PRIMARYTOPIC for this article not that one. I am not very knowledgeable here though so I may be wrong, and more of your input is needed before I finalize my !vote. Also, if the ruler's name has to be used in the title then I think I will prefer just "Li Maozhen's state" as the title, because then adding "Qi" to it is unneeded. However, naming it as such will not be WP:CONSISTENT with other states from the Five Dynasties and Ten Kingdoms period, none of which is named after their rulers. Khestwol (talk) 05:07, 11 June 2015 (UTC)[reply]
  • In Chinese history/language, "Great XXX" = "XXX", e.g. "Ming dynasty" officially is the "Great Ming". The word "Great" means absolutely nothing (which is why the word is translated, rather than transliterated). You have made some good points, and right now I don't know which option is the best. Li Maozhen's state is not advisable in my opinion. Historically, Li Maozhen controled a major territory as early as the late 880s, but it was not until 907, the year the Tang dynasty emperor was deposed and the Five Dynasties period "officially" began, that he declared his territory Qi (which in political terms, is a declaration of independence from "central" rule). Another option of course is to merge all these topics with their respective warlords. Timmyshin (talk) 21:42, 12 June 2015 (UTC)[reply]
Thank you. That means at least one title must use its ruler's name for disambiguation. Khestwol (talk) 03:57, 13 June 2015 (UTC)[reply]

The above discussion is preserved as an archive of a requested move. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on this talk page or in a move review. No further edits should be made to this section.