Talk:Power Stage

Requested move 3 November 2019

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The result of the move request was: Moved. (non-admin closure) Cwmhiraeth (talk) 10:51, 11 November 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Power stage → Power Stage – The title with capitalized S is the official name. Unnamelessness (talk) 11:07, 3 November 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Support, this is the correct name. Pelmeen10 (talk) 12:04, 3 November 2019 (UTC)[reply]

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2013 Monte

From 3:56 - safety reasons, access to the rescue vehicles is blocked (chaotic weather conditions). Pelmeen10 (talk) 09:18, 22 March 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Sources and such

What is the main source used in this article? juwra.com says a total of 149 PS have been held as of 11 March 2023 [1] It doesn't include Didier Auriol and gives Lappi 5. We should include a total number also. Pelmeen10 (talk) 17:29, 16 March 2023 (UTC)[reply]

@Unnamelessness & @Kovpastish - We have 151 wins listed. By juwra 149 + Mexico + 2 in 1999 = 152. I'll fix Lappi's win count - he did win in 2017 Rally Italia Sardegna. I'm also guessing the total points could be wrong. Pelmeen10 (talk) 22:43, 21 March 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Am I right that adding Lappi makes it agree with Juwra? My suggestion is to add Juwra (and ewrc 1999 season) either as a general reference or in Note b. Rally Wonk (talk) 23:34, 21 March 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Yes. Points table is for sure wrong. Lappi&Ferm should have the same numbers. I checked erwc and 2017 3times-10points, 2018 6x-23p, 2019 3x-5, 2020 3x-4, 2021 1x-3, 2022 3x-5, 2023 1x-5 = 20 times and 55points. Pelmeen10 (talk) 00:05, 22 March 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Total points

Year	Races	Points per rally	Points per year
1999	2[note]	6	12
2011	13	6	78 (90)
2012	13	6	78 (168)
2013	12[note]	6	72 (240)
2014	13	6	78 (318)
2015	13	6	78 (396)
2016	13	6	78 (474)
2017	13	15	195 (669)
2018	13	15	195 (864)
2019	13	15	195 (1059)
2020	6[note]	15	90 (1149)
2021	12	15	180 (1329)
2022	13	15	195 (1524)
2023	13	15	195 (1719)

+45 after Mexico this year = 1569. Possibly useful if somebody wants to count what's in our article. Or whenever in the future. Pelmeen10 (talk) 23:17, 21 March 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Just my opinion here, but 'point scorers' section is too much information for an overview-article. Does anybody really need to know who is 41st in the all-time co-driver standings for only power stage points? I appreciate the effort making it right and maintaining it but I'm not sure even how to use Ogier's 294 over 102, or points per year when it isn't comparable year on year. The 'Most points per season' table could be useful though by adding a column for percentage of total championship points, and possibly combine it with the wins table.

With so much detail there's a lot of studying to make sense of it all, but with the red links, blue links, bold means something, background-colour means something else, all the colours of the flags, there's also lots of squinting and scrolling too.

Ideally, I'd like to see some more text on frequently used stages, things like the purpose built jump in Finland, how it's all done for commercial reasons, or notable sporting deciders and events (crashes). Rally Wonk (talk) 00:20, 22 March 2023 (UTC)[reply]

The initial version I created did not include the points tables, just the winners tables. The winners tables are easy to maintain — You can cross over the championship standings tables from 2011 to date, or refer to the juwrc sources as pointed out in the previous entry.

The points tables are likely to be WP:OR challenged. As far as I can see, they are manually adding, and sometimes could double-count or miss-count, especially given the fact that this page is frequently updated by IP users. I really appreciate their effort to maintain these statistics, but the points tables should go as far as I am concerned. Unnamelessness (talk) 00:55, 22 March 2023 (UTC)[reply]

IMO counting wins from ewrc season pages or Wiki articles is the same as counting points from them. There are templates or whatever tools that do automatic calculation, so I wouldn't call it OR. And I wouldn't rush to remove it until the initial adder Kovpastish joins the discussion. Btw our sources do not directly mention which rallies in 1999 it was used either. ewrc has counted the extra points inside of the other points. Pelmeen10 (talk) 01:58, 22 March 2023 (UTC)[reply]