Talk:Pollack (card game)

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Did you know... that the card game of Pollack is named after a bonus for holding the three top cards – the ten, nine, and ace – of one suit?

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Name origin

None of the sources explains the name which is a surname meaning "Pole" from the Polish Polak. That doesn't reflect its clear Italian origin in Tresette, but maybe the person who introduced it into Berlin was an Austrian or German called Pollack, noting that in the former Austrian province of South Tyrol, they still play a variant of the Italian game under the name Treschetten. Bermicourt (talk) 19:55, 27 May 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Requested move 27 May 2019

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The result of the move request was: moved -- JHunterJ (talk) 18:05, 3 June 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Pollack → Pollack (card game)
Pollack (disambiguation) → Pollack

– Most English dictionaries seem to use pollack for the fish (Pollack (fish)) which Wikipedia calls Pollock (see discussions on Talk:Pollock). The card game is not at all well-known in the English-speaking world. I do not feel that any of the fish, the surname, or the card-game qualify as a primary subject. The article Pollack (surname) used to be at Pollack, and was moved recently without discussion. DuncanHill (talk) 22:01, 27 May 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Strongly Support per nom - no clear primary topic. When in doubt, it's safest to disambiguate. Paintspot Infez (talk) 22:31, 27 May 2019 (UTC)[reply]
Support In ictu oculi (talk) 08:28, 28 May 2019 (UTC)[reply]
Support. No primary topic. The comment about the name of the fish is a valid, but separate, debate that should be had at that article. Bermicourt (talk) 10:43, 28 May 2019 (UTC)[reply]
~~Weak~~ Support views [[1]] do show that the card game gets more views than other articles with this title but there are a number of other articles and this is only a recent article so many of those views could be from editing/patrolling it. I would also note that the user who usurped the page and created the card game article (Bermicourt) supports this move so we could just speedy move. Similar articles have been moved such as Trump/Trump (card game), Hearts/Hearts (card game), Spades/Spades (card game) and Spoons/Spoons (card game) (which is now under Donkey (card game)). Crouch, Swale (talk) 13:10, 28 May 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Not from editing and patrolling as the article has existed for long enough, but probably the usual reasons that articles usually have more page views than redirects, because of more links and categories, and likely higher position in search results. Peter James (talk) 20:17, 28 May 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Actually, the fish gets far more views. [2]. DuncanHill (talk) 20:25, 28 May 2019 (UTC)[reply]
(edit conflict) Yes the fish redirect gets around 6 a day compared with the card game's 766 but the crater only gets 36 and the surname 32. Indeed the only way the fish redirect would get views is by someone landing on the card game article, clicking on the link to the DAB page and then clicking on the fish redirect or by someone directly entering "Pollack (fish)" into the search box. Also the redirect was only created 4 and a bit days ago so it hasn't had long to get views. Views [[3]] for the fish article at Pollock shows that that article gets 10,330 views (compared to 766 for the card game). A Google and Google Images search returns primarily results for the fish and there was a discussion at Talk:Pollock#Requested move suggesting to put the fish at Pollack (and displace the then surname article at the base name). So yes even if "Pollock" is actually the best title for the fish its still a valid competitor for "Pollack" per WP:PRIMARYREDIRECT. Crouch, Swale (talk) 20:32, 28 May 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Actually I'd note that the trump article is at Trump (card games), maybe that should be moved to Trump (card game)? Crouch, Swale (talk) 18:17, 29 May 2019 (UTC)[reply]

That would imply it was about a card game known as Trump. Wiki convention would be to move it to Trump (cards) which already redirects there. Bermicourt (talk) 11:00, 1 June 2019 (UTC)[reply]
I disagree that Pollack should be a redirect to the fish; Pollock itself is not the main article for the fish, so there is even less justification for Pollack redirecting there. I suspect part of the reason is that there are also notable people with the surname Pollock and Pollack. Anyway that's a separate issue to be addressed elsewhere. Bermicourt (talk) 11:00, 1 June 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Support. It means the fish to me, so I certain would be WP:ASTONISHed by the present situation. That said nothing is primary here. -- King of ♥ ♦ ♣ ♠ 23:11, 1 June 2019 (UTC)[reply]

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