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Dzeidman (talk · contribs) / Tiboris, Peter This user has contributed to the article. This user has declared a connection. (Editor was employee of article subject at the time of writing, but no longer is, per Talk page discussion.)

I believe this article's original author, and most-frequent editor to date, is User:Dzeidman. I have opened a conversation with them, "User talk:Dzeidman#Do_you_perhaps_have_a_conflict_of_interest?". I am concerned that this article reads like an official biography or hagiography, rather than a neutral point-of-view assessment. While the article has some citations to reliable sources, they tend to support minor points rather than the primary claims of the article. For example, the lede says, 'Mr. Tiboris' concerts have been hailed by The New York Times as "sizzling and precise," and "vigorous...alert and energetic."', but the citation is to one 1990 review of one debut concert, not to recent reviews of multiple recent performances. The article has no negative views. Either Mr. Tiboris is perfect, or the article isn't fully neutral. I also think that it has too many non-notable details: do we really need to know that his brother is a dentist? I encourage independent editors to revise this article to make it better comply with WP:NPOV. --Jdlh | Talk 15:39, 9 October 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Update: per Talk page discussion, it appears the original author was in fact an employee of article's subject at the time of writing, but no longer is. --Jdlh | Talk 03:24, 10 October 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Source for possible article improvement :

http://www.nytimes.com/1995/06/12/arts/union-fights-visas-for-2-orchestras.html Labour dispute over hiring of European orchestras by MidAmerica. Connections between MidAmerica and Tzell Travel. "To the old question of how to get to Carnegie Hall, there's a new answer: Call Peter Tiboris. In what has become a veritable rite of spring, the conductor and presenter rents the 57th Street hall and fills it with college and community choruses from the hinterlands who are happy to pay their own way and then some for the privilege." Also this great quote: 'Galen Marshall, conductor of the Masterworks Chorale of San Mateo, Calif., said his group was "happy as can be" with the two trips and performances Mr. Tiboris had arranged for them in recent years. "I expect Peter made plenty," he said. "But I say to those who ask: 'It's like a cruise. Don't get involved trying to break down who's getting what.' "' And this, 'Ron Sell, a French-horn player with the American Symphony Orchestra, said he did not blame Mr. Tiboris for seeking cost-cutting measures when the concert business hit a downturn several years ago. But he also said that a Beethoven performance in May by the Bohuslav Martinu orchestra was one of the worst he had ever witnessed. "It was terrible," he said. "I wanted to dive under my seat."'
http://www.nytimes.com/2009/10/28/arts/music/28hands.html Tiboris is "a major producer of concerts at Carnegie Hall."
http://www.nytimes.com/2006/06/05/arts/music/05tibo.html Review of opera Médée performance. "It is a working proposition in this city that those with enough enterprise to put on operas like this will never have the resources to do them properly. Mr. Tiboris's effort — with a good orchestra and the strong Russian Chamber Chorus of New York in front of him — brought us something literate, comprehensible if not always terribly elegant. It is a seller's market. Listeners take what they can get and are grateful."
http://news.google.com/newspapers?nid=1350&dat=19890319&id=1jFPAAAAIBAJ&sjid=-gIEAAAAIBAJ&pg=6917,6468592 Toledo Blade - Mar 19, 1989. "Ex-prof performs musical miracle in New York" On Tiboris, first NY concert in 1984, first five years of MidAmerica Productions.
http://www.leagle.com/decision/In%20NYCO%2020110125362 2010 Decision in lawsuit, MidAMERICA PROD., INC. v. DERKE 601381/2008. Tiboris sued Derke and Griffith, who worked for MidAmerica until their 2008 resignation, over alleged misuse of confidential information and other claims. Some but not all claims were dismissed. Derke and Griffith went on to found Distinguished Concerts International New York (DCINY), a rival concert promoter.
Content analysis: in searching the New York Times archives for Peter Tiboris mentions, the most recent performance review is dated 2006. I expect that if Tiboris was primarily notable as a conductor, there would be more.

--Jdlh | Talk 17:55, 9 October 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Sources

This article was created in 2012 as a copyright violation, and came with the sentence:

Peter Tiboris has conducted many works in the choral repertoire as well as symphonic works, operas, and ballets, including world, U.S., and New York premieres of works by Beethoven/Mahler, Bruckner, Dinos Constantinides, Dello Joio, Dohnányi, Effinger, Philip Glass, Gregory Magarshak, Mozart, Nielsen, Schnittke, Taneyev, Tchaikovsky, and Mikis Theodorakis.

Without a reference. In the meantime, a source for Tanayev was added, and four at the end for the Theodorakis, which makes it look like sourced as a whole at a glance but it isn't. I also reads as if he conducted world premieres of Beethoven ;) - The original author hasn't edited since 2016. We need to find sources, or that sentence has to go. -- Gerda Arendt (talk) 09:20, 23 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

The quote is from an interview. I've removed that ugly enumeration. Grimes2 (talk) 10:00, 23 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Thank you, feel understood. He claims to have been the first to record the Beethoven symphonies with "Retuschen" by Mahler, but I can't find a source for that either. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 10:23, 23 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

https://floridaorchestra.org/in-isolation-listening-to-beethoven/ Grimes2 (talk) 10:33, 23 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

That supports that he did it but not that was the first to do so. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 10:47, 23 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

The cover states "World Premiere recording" of Mahler's Beethoven re-orchestrations. Grimes2 (talk) 10:50, 23 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Sory, I only searched for his name ;) --Gerda Arendt (talk) 10:54, 23 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Copyright violation

Earwig's Copyvio Detector states copyright violation 49% https://www.thenationalherald.com/maestro-peter-tiboris-celebrating-40-years-of-concerts-from-nyc-to-macao-to-st-petersburg/ Grimes2 (talk) 11:07, 23 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]