Talk:Patrick Harran

Semi-protected edit request on 31 May 2019

Please add the following in his summary:

Harran was promoted to tenured Associate Professor in 2002 and to Full Professor in 2005. The same year he was named the Mar Nell & F. Andrew Bell Distinguished Chair in Biochemistry. In 2005 he co-founded Joyant Pharmaceuticals with the backing of Sanderling Ventures. Assets developed at Joyant provided a basis for launching Diazon Pharmaceuticals in 2013. He joined the faculty at University of California Los Angeles in 2008 as the inaugural Donald J. & Jane M. Cram Chair in Organic Chemistry.

Awards and Honors add the following:

• Inaugural Robert Foster Cherry Lecture on Research and Education, 2019
• JSPS Fellow and International Organic Chemistry Foundation Yoshida Lectureship, 2017
• Herbert Newboy McCoy Award, 2016

Under the Laboratory Fire: On December 29, 2008, a t-butyl lithium fire in Harran's laboratory severely injured research assistant Sheharbano Sangji, and she died from complications in January 2009[3] In late 2011, days before the statute of limitations was to expire, the University of California and Harran were accused of felony violations of the California workplace safety code. Harran became the first American academic criminally charged for a laboratory accident.[4] Harran’s attorneys ultimately petitioned the California Court of Appeal to challenge the premise of the case. A deferred prosecution agreement was offered in 2014 and Harran agreed to donate to the Grossman Burn Center, lecture on safety principles and teach a summer course for the Noonan South Central Scholars Program. In September 2018 the Los Angeles District Attorney dismissed all charges against Harran. Pgharran (talk) 19:13, 31 May 2019 (UTC)

You need independently written and published reliable sources (such as newspaper articles) for each of the new statements you want added to the article. —David Eppstein (talk) 20:36, 31 May 2019 (UTC)

 Not done: The page's protection level has changed since this request was placed. You should now be able to edit the page yourself. If you still seem to be unable to, please reopen the request with further details. NiciVampireHeart 21:07, 2 June 2019 (UTC)

@NiciVampireHeart: Harran should not be encouraged to edit the page about himself. —David Eppstein (talk) 21:44, 2 June 2019 (UTC)

References

Semi-protected edit request on 6 June 2019

Can the following Awards and Honors is the latest he has received:

• Inaugural Robert Foster Cherry Lecture on Research and Education, 2019
• JSPS Fellow and International Organic Chemistry Foundation Yoshida Lectureship, 2017
• Herbert Newboy McCoy Award, 2016

The laboratory fire has an incorrect information stating the fire has killed the assistant. Can it be updated to: On December 29, 2008, a t-butyl lithium fire in Harran's laboratory severely injured research assistant Sheharbano Sangji, and she died from complications in January 2009. In late 2011, days before the statute of limitations was to expire, the University of California and Harran were accused of felony violations of the California workplace safety code. Harran became the first American academic criminally charged for a laboratory accident. Harran’s attorneys ultimately petitioned the California Court of Appeal to challenge the premise of the case. A deferred prosecution agreement was offered in 2014 and Harran agreed to donate to the Grossman Burn Center, lecture on safety principles and teach a summer course for the Noonan South Central Scholars Program. In September 2018 the Los Angeles District Attorney dismissed all charges against Harran. 169.232.140.44 (talk) 21:44, 6 June 2019 (UTC)

References

 Not done: According to the page's protection level you should be able to edit the page yourself. If you seem to be unable to, please reopen the request with further details. Highway 89 (talk) 04:45, 9 July 2019 (UTC)

Some proposed changes

Information to be added or removed: Regarding Patrick Harren's entire page.

Extended content

Back Ground Education Patrick Harran (b 13 July 1969) was raised in Corinth, New York. He attended Corinth Central High School until entering Skidmore College as an early admissions student. In his freshman year, the college hired organic chemist Raymond Giguere. Giguere had an infectious enthusiasm for chemistry and Harran became one of his first research students. Harran spent the next years studying tandem ene / intramolecular Diels-Alder processes. In 1990, he moved to New Haven for graduate studies at Yale University with Frederick Ziegler. He obtained a doctorate for studies on photochemically generated, carbon-centered radicals and their cyclization reactions. After an NIH-sponsored postdoctoral fellowship with Paul Wender at Stanford University, Harran joined the faculty at the University of Texas Southwestern Medical Center (UTSW) in Fall 1997. UTSW was among the premier biomedical research centers in the world. It was home to four active Nobel Prize winners and growing rapidly under the leadership of Kern Wildenthal. Geneticist Steve McKnight had left Tularik to become chair of the biochemistry department the year prior, and he recruited Harran to bring synthetic chemistry into their cellular and molecular biology graduate programs. Harran established a lab alongside the groups of Xiaodong Wang and Masashi Yanagisawa and began working with Dean John Perkins to implement a Chemistry Tract within their existing Biological Chemistry program. The next years saw a flurry of activity. McKnight and Harran recruited five junior chemistry faculty: 1998 – Jef De Brabander (Stanford, University of Geneva), 2002 – Joseph Ready (Harvard); 2003 – Chuo Chen (Harvard); 2006 – Doug Frantz (Merck, ETH/Zurich); and 2007 – John MacMillan (Scripps). With new colleagues came new course offerings and the Chemistry Tract matured as an independent division. The graduate student population grew and the program flourished. Harran was promoted to tenured Associate Professor in 2002 and to Full Professor in 2005. The same year he was named the Mar Nell & F. Andrew Bell Distinguished Chair in Biochemistry. In 2005 he co-founded Joyant Pharmaceuticals with the backing of Sanderling Ventures. Assets developed at Joyant provided a basis for launching Diazon Pharmaceuticals in 2013. He joined the faculty at the University of California Los Angeles in 2008 as the inaugural Donald J. & Jane M. Cram Chair in Organic Chemistry. Research Research – add link to homepage : http://www.chem.ucla.edu/harran/ New awards to add to the existing list 2019 Inaugural Robert Foster Cherry Lecture on Research and Education 2017 JSPS Fellow and International Organic Chemistry Foundation Yoshida Lectureship 2016 Herbert Newby McCoy Award Laboratory Fire On December 29, 2008, a tert-butyl lithium fire in Harran's laboratory severely injured research assistant Sheharbano Sangji, and she died from complications in January 2009. In late 2011, days before the statute of limitations was to expire, the University of California and Harran were accused of felony violations of the California workplace safety code. Harran became the first American academic criminally charged for a laboratory accident. Harran’s attorneys ultimately petitioned the California Court of Appeal to challenge the premise of the case. A deferred prosecution agreement was offered in 2014 and Harran agreed to donate to the Grossman Burn Center, lecture on safety principles and teach a summer course for the Noonan South Central Scholars Program. In September 2018 the Los Angeles District Attorney dismissed all charges against Harran. References

Explanation of issue: To provide an update to Patrick Harran's page and provide more fact-based sources regarding the laboratory fire incident.

References supporting change:

 http://en.wiki.x.io/wiki/Skidmore_College
 https://www.skidmore.edu/chemistry/faculty/giguere.php
 http://en.wiki.x.io/wiki/Yale_University
 https://chem.yale.edu/people/frederick-ziegler
 http://en.wiki.x.io/wiki/Paul_Wender
 http://en.wiki.x.io/wiki/Stanford_University
 https://www.utsouthwestern.edu/newsroom/articles/year-2019/hackerman-award.html
 https://science.sciencemag.org/content/274/5292/1459
 http://www.sanderling.com
 http://www.chem.ucla.edu/harran/
 https://www.baylor.edu/mediacommunications/news.php?action=story&story=209005
 https://www.chemistry.ucla.edu/news/31st-iocf-yoshida-lectureship
 https://www.chemistry.ucla.edu/news/2016-departmental-awards-ceremony
 https://www.paulhastings.com/news/details/?id=2c6ee169-2334-6428-811c-ff00004cbded
 https://www.latimes.com/la-me-ln-harran-case-dismissed-20180912-story.html

Please let me know if you need any further information. Thank you very much.Wikijg (talk) 23:49, 29 October 2019 (UTC)

Hello, I hope this message finds you well. I wanted to send a friendly reminder regarding my previous request about updating Patrick Harran's page with the information above. I see that previous comments say that this page is unprotected and can be edited by one's self. Can you please confirm this? If so, I can edit and provide my sources to this page. Thank you!Wikijg (talk) 23:58, 26 November 2019 (UTC)

How about no. Your new text is heavily heavily promotional and I have reverted it. Everything here needs to be neutral and factual, especially when written by someone with a COI. Wording like "had an infectious enthusiasm for chemistry" ... "among the premier biomedical research centers in the world. It was home to four active Nobel Prize winners and growing rapidly" ... "The next years saw a flurry of activity" ... "With new colleagues came new course offerings and the Chemistry Tract matured as an independent division. The graduate student population grew and the program flourished" all fail that test and, moreover, are largely off-topic for this article. —David Eppstein (talk) 23:47, 3 December 2019 (UTC)

Hi, David. I apologize for the update being so promotional. I'm still learning how to update/edit Wikipedia pages so I appreciate the feedback. Can you please, however, let me know if the Laboratory Fire section is good or would you recommend changing that as well? Can we also add in his awards, too? I will work on his beginning paragraphs so it is not promotional. Thank you. Wikijg (talk) 00:19, 4 December 2019 (UTC)

For the laboratory fire section, the concern would be that your edits are likely to whitewash or minimize this event. For instance, your "days before the statute of limitations was due to expire" looks like both a violation of WP:SYN (juxtaposing events with the hope that readers will draw some conclusion that you cannot actually source) and problematic in attempting to insinuate that there is something inappropriate about this timing. You have not explained your reasoning for removing the fact that there were four separate felony charges. And your "dismissed all charges" makes it appear that Harran was exonerated, separately and later from the deferred prosecution, whereas my understanding is that he was not exonerated and that the dismissal of the charges was part of the deferred prosecution agreement. —David Eppstein (talk) 00:29, 4 December 2019 (UTC)

Some Proposed Changes

Note: I have cleaned up formatting/layout errors and spurious headings in this section, so that the comments now appear in the correct order.--IamNotU (talk) 14:31, 7 May 2020 (UTC)

Information to be edited: Patrick Harran's entire wiki page. Please see below for proposed changes and let me know if you have any questions or concerns.

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Background Education Patrick Harran (b 13 July 1969) was raised in Corinth, New York. He entered Skidmore College as an early admissions student in 1986. There he studied tandem ene / intramolecular Diels-Alder processes with Raymond Giguere. In 1990 he began graduate studies at Yale University with Frederick Ziegler. He obtained a doctorate for studies on photochemically generated, carbon-centered radicals and their cyclization reactions. After an NIH-sponsored postdoctoral fellowship with Paul Wender at Stanford University, Harran joined the faculty at the University of Texas Southwestern Medical Center (UTSW) in Fall 1997. UTSW was home to four active Nobel laureates and growing under the leadership of Kern Wildenthal.** Geneticist Steve McKnight had left Tularik to become chair of the biochemistry department the year prior, and he recruited Harran to bring synthetic chemistry into their cellular and molecular biology graduate programs. Harran established a lab alongside the groups of Xiaodong Wang and Masashi Yanagisawa and worked with Dean John Perkins to implement a Chemistry Tract within their existing Biological Chemistry program. McKnight and Harran recruited five junior chemistry faculty: 1998 – Jef De Brabander (Stanford, University of Geneva), 2002 – Joseph Ready (Harvard); 2003 – Chuo Chen (Harvard); 2006 – Doug Frantz (Merck, ETH/Zurich); and 2007 – John MacMillan (Scripps). Harran was promoted to tenured Associate Professor in 2002 and to Full Professor in 2005. The same year he was named the Mar Nell & F. Andrew Bell Distinguished Chair in Biochemistry. In 2005 he co-founded Joyant Pharmaceuticals with the backing of Sanderling Ventures.# Assets developed at Joyant provided a basis for launching Diazon Pharmaceuticals in 2013. He joined the faculty at University of California Los Angeles in 2008 as the inaugural Donald J. & Jane M. Cram Chair in Organic Chemistry. Research Research – add link to homepage : http://www.chem.ucla.edu/harran/ New awards to add to the existing list 2019 Inaugural Robert Foster Cherry Lecture on Research and Education 2017 JSPS Fellow and International Organic Chemistry Foundation Yoshida Lectureship 2016 Herbert Newby McCoy Award Laboratory Fire Laboratory Fire In December 2008, a tert-butyl lithium fire in Harran's laboratory severely injured research assistant Sheharbano Sangji. She died from complications in January 2009[3]. In December 2011 the University of California and Harran were accused of four felony violations of the California workplace safety code. Harran became the first American academic criminally charged for a laboratory accident.[4] Harran’s attorneys ultimately petitioned the California Court of Appeal to challenge the premise of the case.* A deferred prosecution agreement (DPA) was offered in 2014 and Harran agreed to donate to the Grossman Burn Center, lecture on safety principles and teach a summer course for the Noonan South Central Scholars Program. When terms of the DPA had been met, the Los Angeles District Attorney dismissed charges against Harran.*** https://www.paulhastings.com/news/details/?id=2c6ee169-2334-6428-811c-ff00004cbded https://science.sciencemag.org/content/274/5292/1459 http://www.sanderling.com https://www.latimes.com/la-me-ln-harran-case-dismissed-20180912-story.html References

Explanation of issue: To provide an update to Patrick Harran's page and provide more fact-based sources regarding the laboratory fire incident. Please let me know if you need any further information. Thank you very much.Wikijg (talk) 16:39, 18 December 2019 (UTC)

Again, you appear trying to be spinning it to say that Harran was exonerated in the fire, by saying "when he did stuff the charges were dismissed" when really this is just a standard plea bargain. Why are you spinning so much? It doesn't make it easy to accept any of your changes as being of good faith, even though the recent awards listing looks innocuous. —David Eppstein (talk) 17:11, 18 December 2019 (UTC)

Hi David, I hope this message finds you well. I wanted to send a friendly reminder regarding my last request. Please let me know if it is acceptable or if you would require more information. Thank you.Wikijg (talk) 18:59, 9 January 2020 (UTC)

I replied on December 18. Perhaps you missed my reply because of your messed-up section headings. I am against your changes. Every time I say so, you come back a few weeks later with the exact same changes and a request "how about now? have you changed your mind yet?". This is irritating and unconstructive. You still appear to be editing primarily with the intent of downplaying the lab fire incident and promoting the work of Harran. That is not consistent with the goals of the encyclopedia. How about you find something in Wikipedia less fraught to work on, or confine your efforts to off-wiki promotion? —David Eppstein (talk) 19:36, 9 January 2020 (UTC)

Dear David. I apologize for the delayed response and for missing your first reply back on December 18, 2019. I would like to follow the guidelines and cooperate the best I can. I will not pursue updates to the Research and Awards and Honors section, to minimize any risk of the edits being promotional in nature. For now, please see below on my proposed update on the Laboratory Fire section with sources for each sentence to support the text. The paragraph is of a neutral tone, but if you disagree with my edits, please let me know how I can better improve it so that I can present a more holistic and well-supported update. Additionally, please note that the term plea bargain is incorrect for this situation. The sources explain the situation that led to Harran’s charges being dropped. Thank you.

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Laboratory Fire On December 29, 2008, a tert-butyl lithium fire in Patrick Harran's laboratory severely injured research assistant Sheharbano Sangji. Sangji died from her injuries in January 16, 2009. In December 2011, the University of California and Harran were accused of four felony violations of the California workplace safety code. Harran became the first American academic criminally charged for a laboratory accident. After Harran agreed to pay a donation to a local burn center and perform community service, prosecutors had reached a deferred prosecution agreement. On September 6, 2018, the court recognized that Harran had met the terms of the agreement and dismissed the charges against him. References

Wikijg (talk) 22:21, 29 January 2020 (UTC)

Hi David, I hope this message finds you well. I wanted to send a friendly reminder regarding my previous request. Please let me know if you have any questions. Thank you.Wikijg (talk) 20:47, 7 February 2020 (UTC)

Hi David, I wanted to send a friendly reminder regarding my last message. Please let me know if you have any questions. Thank you.Wikijg (talk) 21:47, 14 February 2020 (UTC)

Hi David, I am sending another reminder regarding my last message about updating the Laboratory Fire with the information below. Please let me know if you have any questions. Thank you.Wikijg (talk) 18:52, 21 February 2020 (UTC)

David, this is another friendly reminder regarding my last update request. Please let me know if you find any issue with my request so that I may work on it or if it is good to publish. Thank you.Wikijg (talk) 18:07, 30 March 2020 (UTC)

Third opinion question

Response to third opinion request:

A third opinion request simply stated: "Disagreement about editing content." That is a very vague request; what kind of editing content? Which section on this talk page is a dispute taking place? Erpert blah, blah, blah... 01:17, 11 April 2020 (UTC)

Hi, Erpert. Sorry for the vague entry. I tried to follow the example of the Third Opinion request. The content in question is in regards to the Laboratory Fire. Thank you. Wikijg (talk) 21:53, 16 April 2020 (UTC)

Courtesy ping @Erpert: Galendalia _{CVU Member} \ ^{Chat Me Up} 00:44, 7 May 2020 (UTC)

Wikijg, Erpert may wish to comment as a "third opinion". In the meantime, you are correct that the first sentence in the laboratory fire section gave the impression that Sangji died on the day of the fire. I have corrected that, and also added the information about the charges being dropped, as well as a few other changes. I didn't use the text you wrote; in general we prefer not to have articles "ghost written" by their subjects, especially when it comes to legal matters, see WP:COILEGAL.

I also agree with David Eppstein's assessment that your writing tends to be very biased and fails to adhere to the neutral point of view policy, which inherently is extremely difficult for a paid editor to do. In the future, you are still welcome to make edit requests, for example if you see blatant violations of our biography of living persons policy. You should use Template:Request edit to do so; it is not necessary to specifically ask David Eppstein. However, you will likely find that editors decline to include blocks of text you've written, for the above reasons. Please note that repeatedly making requests for substantially the same changes may be considered disruptive editing, and could lead to you being blocked, see WP:PAYTALK. You may have more success noting specific points and giving clear explanations of why they should be changed. But again, you will likely find that your influence on the article will be very limited.

One more thing, I've cleaned up some parts of the talk page above, including where you added section headings in your requested edit that actually created new sections on the talk page, and led to incorrect layout and the comments being out of order. You may wish to review it to make sure I didn't accidentally change the meaning of anything you wrote, thanks. --IamNotU (talk) 16:46, 7 May 2020 (UTC)