Talk:Pat Crerand

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Defender not Midfielder

Paddy Crerand was a centre-back and not a midfielder. I've updated the article accordingly Billsmith60 (talk) 08:26, 1 July 2023 (UTC)[reply]

His profile on Hugmans describes Crerand as a right half, which doesn't fit neatly into either modern description. Jmorrison230582 (talk) 10:14, 1 July 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Member of acclaimed 1970 World Cup panel on ITV

"The famous 1970 ITV World Cup panel - Bob McNab, Paddy Crerand, Derek 'The Doog' Dougan and Malcolm 'Big Mal' Allison, with Brian Moore and Jimmy Hill posing the questions - the panel were a smash hit with the viewers."

Source - www.pinterest.co.uk/pin/141581982008806416/ — Preceding unsigned comment added by 82.16.72.221 (talk • contribs) 20:16, 21 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Requested move 21 January 2025

It has been proposed in this section that Pat Crerand be renamed and moved to Paddy Crerand.

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Pat Crerand → Paddy Crerand – Currently a search for "Paddy Crerand" takes you to Pat Crerand, when Crerand is known universally as "Paddy". Can the redirects be swapped, i.e. Paddy Crerand become the main page? I cannot move Pat Crerand to Paddy Crerand because the page already exists. Evidence for being known as "Paddy" and not "Pat" exists aplenty. 1. His autobiography: https://www.amazon.co.uk/Paddy-Crerand-Never-Other-Cheek/dp/0007247613. 2. In the Pat Crerand article, his team-mate George Best said: "I always looked around for Paddy Crerand...". 3. Manchester United website: "Paddy makes emotional return to Old Trafford" - https://www.manutd.com/en/news/detail/paddy-crerand-returns-to-old-trafford-after-14-month-absence. 4. Scottish Football Hall of Fame: https://www.scottishfootballmuseum.org.uk/exhibitions/hall-of-fame/paddy-crerand/. I trust this move is not controversial in any way. Thanks Billsmith60 (talk) 00:35, 21 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]

NB: name of page to be moved to should be "Paddy Crerand", but a redirect looks as if I'm asking for a page to be moved to itself, which is not the case Billsmith60 (talk) 00:39, 21 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Note: This discussion has been included in WikiProject Football's list of association football-related page moves. Giant Snowman 21:14, 21 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose - see this and this and many others. Giant Snowman 21:17, 21 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Doubtless the sources you cite, one of which is personal page, have used his Wikipedia page for their info., while Crerand's own autobiography has "Paddy" Billsmith60 (talk) 10:55, 22 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]
What is that wild assumption based on? Giant Snowman 19:42, 23 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Quite simply, that Wikipedia is widely used as an authoritative source! People will use the article title then refer to him, correctly, by the name he's known by throughout – Paddy. I don't see why you are opposing this but am not going to lose any sleep if the proposal is defeated, for he is "Paddy Crerand" and always will be. He says so himself in his autobiography. Cheers Billsmith60 (talk) 09:52, 24 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Weak Support as it seems like Paddy is more frequently found in Google news articles, with regular Google searches being mixed but still slightly biased towards Paddy. Citation titles in the article are split 50/50. Looking to published books, I found two, and it was one each of Pat and Paddy. There is an alleged signed photograph on Amazon that has it listed as simply Pat. All of this points me to believe that he commonly went by both Pat and Paddy, and never by his full given name of Patrick. So then I looked at what variation he most recently went by (because people will sometimes shift their nick name as they get older, preferring either one more-or-less formal). In this case, from in-article citations the most recent ones shown under Media shows the consistency of Paddy. And finally, just a general search of recent items reveals a YouTubev video where he is introduced as Paddy from last year. So while there was mixed results in searching, with say a 52/48 split of sorts, the tipping point goes to the most recent nick name, which seems to clearly be Patty. TiggerJay (talk) 04:24, 28 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]