Talk:Pastime with Good Company

Pastime with Good Company was one of the Music good articles, but it has been removed from the list. There are suggestions below for improving the article to meet the good article criteria. Once these issues have been addressed, the article can be renominated. Editors may also seek a reassessment of the decision if they believe there was a mistake.

Article milestones
Date	Process	Result
April 30, 2007	Good article nominee	Listed
February 16, 2010	Good article reassessment	Delisted

A fact from this article appeared on Wikipedia's Main Page in the "Did you know?" column on May 2, 2007.

The text of the entry was: Did you know ...that King Henry VIII was a talented musician and composer, and his song Pastime with Good Company became a popular tune throughout Renaissance Europe and remains a choral favorite?

Current status: Delisted good article

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The article looks quite good. A solid copy-edit will be needed to linger out any deficiencies with the prose, and the historical context section could use some citations. Those two issues are relatively minor, but need to be addressed; otherwise, it meets the criteria and has been flagges as a GA. — Deckill er 19:12, 30 April 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Wikisource

I think, the score and the lyrics sections should be moved to Wikisource. -- Sloyment (talk) 10:11, 12 October 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Improve description of King Henry VIII Manuscript?

I fixed a dead link, and wonder if the current description of the 'King Henry VIII Manuscript' could be improved? Date might be wrong: British Library says c. 1518; the article says c. 1513; David Starkey says it is likely from the "second decade of the century".

Currently the article says,

"The oldest known version is part of the Henry VIII Manuscript (c. 1513), a collection of 14 works of his authorship currently preserved at the British Library (BM Addl. MSS. 31,922; Addl. MSS. 5,665; MSS. Reg. Appendix 58), which are signed: "By the King's Hand". The manuscript also includes two masses, a motet, an anthem, and other songs and ballads, both vocal and instrumental. "

British Library https://www.bl.uk/collection-items/henry-vlll-songbook says

"This manuscript, known as the Henry VIII songbook, was probably compiled around 1518. It includes 20 songs and 13 instrumental pieces ascribed to ‘The Kynge H. viii’. The anthology also contains 76 pieces by other musicians associated with the court, including William Cornysh and Robert Fayrfax, as well as some foreign composers"
"The manuscript was produced for someone close to the court, possibly Sir Henry Guildford, the Controller of the Household and Master of the Revels."

https://www.oxforduniversitystores.co.uk/product-catalogue/music-faculty-diamm/music-faculty-diamm-publications/henry-viii-manuscript says

"Thirty-three compositions by Henry VIII alongside a wide selection of other music from the first years of the sixteenth century are all collected together in a manuscript that probably contains the repertory of Henry’s own music-making sessions."

BBC Classical Music https://www.classical-music.com/features/articles/musical-life-king-henry-viii/ says

"The main testament to his compositional skill, however, is the so-called Henry VIII Manuscript, which contains 109 songs and instrumental pieces by composers attached to the court as well as some by foreign musicians. No fewer than 33 of the compositions, nearly a third of the entire collection, are ascribed to ‘the kyng h.viii’."

David Starkey ^[1] says Pastime with Good Company is "probably an arrangement". And

"Though this volume has for long been known as 'King Henry VIII's Manuscript', it was never in the king's possession, but must rather have been made for someone close to the Court - possibly Sir Henry Guildford, controller of the Household and master of the Revels." Corsac Fox Kazakhstan (talk) 11:53, 28 September 2023 (UTC)[reply]

References

^ D. Starkey, Henry VIII: A European Court in England (London: Collins & Brown in association with the National Maritime Museum, Greenwich, 1991), p. 154.

[1] D. Starkey, Henry VIII: A European Court in England (London: Collins & Brown in association with the National Maritime Museum, Greenwich, 1991), p. 154.

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