Talk:Parameswara of Malacca

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Mere Rubbish

How can that so called King have Indian name (Parameswara) and being a Hindu if he is Macedonian descendant? What a Rubbish !!!!!

.:My Reply:.

Rubbish, eh? Have you checked what you have written? What is wrong with you and your grammar, man!? It is not "What a Rubbish!!!!!" It is "What Rubbish" Where did you learn your grammar? A monkey!? Speaking of monkeys, why do you have to complain? People have eyes you know, I bet they SEE that that there was an error. Why do you even bother complaining? Complaining won't get you anything, FYI. And in case you don't know what FYI is, and I bet you probably don't, it means for your information. I hope you learned your lesson, you idiot. Because it is an important one.—Preceding unsigned comment added by 203.87.164.32 (talk • contribs)

hey mind your words.Your grammar is worst than me.My grammar is not rubbish.You idiot.Its my business whether want to complain or anything else.Why you bother with me.Parameswara is an Indian.You the one stupidly tell that he's not a Tamilian.You have seen that he's not tamilian?no right..then why you busy body wrote that he's not a tamilian.Next time mind your words if not I don't know what will I do.

Guys, stop arguing! It is not going to change anything. Alright, let me tell you. Parameswara was a Tamilian, but he changed his religion to Islam (don't know why) after he got married, and therefore changed his name to Sultan Iskandar Shah, on my opinion. RaniaKamilia2512 (talk) 06:05, 18 August 2020 (UTC)[reply]

@RaniaKamilia2512 His lineage is disputed, but he is definitely a Malaccan. MahmoudAbbasAlDilfti (talk) 08:51, 23 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Islam conversion

Please discuss before changing his religion to Islam. He was unquestionably a Hindu, but whether he converted to Islam or not is doubtful, and should not be changed in the infobox. The issue is discussed in the appropriate section, any claim can be added to that section with an authoritative source. Hzh (talk) 17:17, 1 March 2022 (UTC)[reply]

You didn’t learn history, Parameswara was converted to Islam when he was married to Samudra Pasai princess.The oldest evidence in Sulalatus Salatin Kangkungkap (talk) 23:09, 2 March 2022 (UTC)[reply]

That is already mentioned in the section on Religious belief. Read that part first, then discuss if his religion on the infobox needs to be changed. There are sources that are contradictory and confusing, so it is up to academics to work out what is more likely to be true. If you can find authoritative sources that have looked at all the evidence and say that he did convert, then give that as the source, and we can consider whether it can be changed. Hzh (talk) 00:50, 3 March 2022 (UTC)[reply]

A Commons file used on this page or its Wikidata item has been nominated for speedy deletion

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Proposal to use File:Keramat Iskandar Syah, Fort Canning Park, Singapore - 20110924.jpg as page image

Given that the illustration which formerly was used to illustrate Parameswara was deleted last year, would it be appropriate to use this photo of Keramat Iskandar Shah to depict him in his identity as Iskandar Shah? http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:Keramat_Iskandar_Syah,_Fort_Canning_Park,_Singapore_-_20110924.jpg Altopian1 (talk) 09:15, 27 October 2023 (UTC)[reply]

No, it's not appropriate for the infobox. The one in Fort Canning is not a real one, since there is no evidence that he was buried there, or indeed if anyone was buried there. He was buried to the north of Melaka, not in Singapore. You might however use it somewhere else in the article, maybe in the last section. Hzh (talk) 07:52, 28 October 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Thank you for the response! I am currently discussing with the artist of this image if she could release it for use on Wikipedia, as it is his likeness in a government-endorsed work: https://www.flickr.com/photos/fscwasteland/53296777916/in/dateposted-public/ , namely this educational comic . Altopian1 (talk) Altopian1 (talk) 10:27, 30 October 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Proposal to use http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:Parameswara_of_Malacca_-_The_Sacking_of_Singapore_(Foo_Swee_Chin).jpg as page image

As per my last reply to the above enquiry, I have gained permission from Ms. Foo Swee Chin to upload her cover image for this graphic novel distributed by the Singaporean government: http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:Parameswara_of_Malacca_-_The_Sacking_of_Singapore_(Foo_Swee_Chin).jpg . Would it be appropriate for the infobox? Altopian1 (talk) 07:33, 1 November 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Note that another file used for a long time in this page, File:Retrato de Parameswara.jpg was nominated for deletion but kept. Hzh (talk) 13:57, 5 November 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Parameswaran was NOT the last king of singapura

The history of the Kingdom of Singapura is complex and often subject to differing interpretations based on various historical sources.

The last king of the Kingdom of Singapura was thought to be named **Iskandar Shah**. However, this Iskandar Shah is distinct from **Parameswara**, who later founded the Malacca Sultanate. Iskandar Shah ruled Singapura until its fall, likely due to an invasion by the Majapahit Empire around 1398.

After the fall of Singapura, **Parameswara**, a prince from Palembang (possibly related to the Srivijaya Empire), arrived in Singapura and briefly stayed there before being driven out by local rivals or external forces. He then moved north and eventually established the Malacca Sultanate around 1400.

Thus, the last king of the Kingdom of Singapura was **Iskandar Shah**, while Parameswara was a later figure who played a key role in the rise of Malacca. 118.200.32.231 (talk) 14:52, 27 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Stop writing nonsense. There is no record in Ming annals about Iskander Shah of Singapura. Hzh (talk) 15:08, 27 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]

the last king of Singapura is thought buried at fort canning. 220.138.192.35 (talk) 06:18, 28 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]

According to **Portuguese sources**, such as the *Suma Oriental* written by **Tomé Pires** in the early 16th century, Parameswara (also known as Iskandar Shah) was chased out of Singapura by forces from **Siam (modern-day Thailand)**. The Siamese were expanding their influence in the region at the time and sought to assert control over Singapura.

After being driven out of Singapura, Parameswara fled north and eventually founded the **Malacca Sultanate** around 1400, which became a major trading port and a key player in the region's history. The Portuguese accounts align with the broader historical narrative that Parameswara's departure from Singapura was due to external pressure, particularly from Siam.

(NOT MAJAPAHIT FORCES DURING THE FALL OF SINGAPURA, BUT LATER. WHEN PARAMESWARA ARRIVED, THE KINGDOM HAD ALREADY FALLEN. NO HIGH WALLS, NO RIVERS OF BLOOD. HE OVER- POWERED A LOCAL CHIEFTAIN (VASSAL OF SIAM) AND SIAM SENT A FORCE FROM KELANTAN TO CHASE HIM OUT ) 220.138.192.35 (talk) 06:28, 28 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]

He is not buried in Fort Canning - [1]. People simply confused a keramat with a tomb, and there is no evidence that the keramat has anything to do with Iskandar Shah. He is buried near Melaka. Hzh (talk) 09:34, 28 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]

The history of this part of the world is only told through colonial and post-colonial eyes. Chinese historians have long told a different story about the last king of Singapura vs Parameswara, taking into account the almost contemporaneous Portuguese accounts. Having grown up learning that Parameswara=Iskandar Shah, I react with disbelief that there were historians telling a different story, but having thought about the matter for a sufficiently long time, I begin to accept it as more plausible, in one stroke erasing the apparent contradictions of the Portuguese accounts and other accounts of which army actually chased Parameswara out of Singapura, or why the Malay Annual would say that Iskandar Shah was a descendent of Seri Teri Buana when Parameswara most certainly couldn't be, plus why, when Parameswara was almost certainly buried in Melaka, why would Malay lore hold that he was buried on Bukit Larangan. Lhtan64 (talk) 11:33, 29 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Give the Ming sources. If you can't, then you are just talking nonsense. Hzh (talk) 12:06, 29 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Keramat of Iskandar Shah

- last king of the Kingdom of Singapura** was **Iskandar Shah**, who is distinct from **Parameswara**, the founder of the Malacca Sultanate. According to historical accounts, the last king of Singapura, **Iskandar Shah**, a descendant Seri Teri Buana who became the fifth king of Singapura, was buried at **Fort Canning Hill** (known as *Bukit Larangan* or "Forbidden Hill" in Malay). This site was considered sacred and was closely associated with the royalty of the Kingdom of Singapura during the 14th century.

Fort Canning Hill has long been a significant archaeological and historical site, with evidence of its importance during the Singapura period. The burial of Iskandar Shah there underscores its role as a royal and spiritual center for the kingdom. While some historical narratives conflate Iskandar Shah with Parameswara, they are generally regarded as separate figures in the context of Singapura's history.

Lhtan64 (talk) 01:23, 29 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Who are all these people who suddenly appear to comment on Iskandar Shah? As already mentioned, there is no evidence that Iskandar Shah was buried in Fort Canning Hill [2]. Hzh (talk) 09:39, 29 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]