Talk:Palmer-class lifeboat

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Identification[edit]

How about I add all the Pre ON numbers for all these boats.

Pre ON numbers are unofficial numbers used by the Lifeboat Enthusiast Society to reference early lifeboats not included on the official RNLI list.

Martin Ojsyork (talk) 20:51, 23 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

We don't use them on other pages and I'm not sure that would pass Wiki's standards for source material. Geof Sheppard (talk) 12:41, 24 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

I started using Pre-ON numbers, esp. for when you start getting boat swaps between stations, like the ones around Anglesey, and to be honest, it was making it easier for me to find boats. It makes things a whole lot clearer, because its suddenly obvious that its the same boat.

ie: Pre-151, Lifeboat No.4

Penmon 1831–48, Moelfre 1848–53, Cemlyn 1853–65

You might have spotted more Palmer-class lifeboats if I'd done it earlier.

Seems to be far too much worrying about what will be accepted on Wiki. Haven't had anyone saying the LBES handbook is an invalid source yet. Too many pages yet to do to start worrying about that. Ojsyork (talk) 19:17, 24 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Struggling...[edit]

Decided I would add service dates. However, I'm struggling, because this is ordered by station name, unlike any other fleet page. Please, lets add Pre-ON numbers, and then we can assign the same boat to multiple stations. MartinOjsyork (talk) 20:14, 26 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

I put it in station order as I didn't have all the dates. If you have them we can make it date-order as usual. Geof Sheppard (talk) 16:24, 27 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

I don't have all Pre-ON, or all dates

But its a fleet table, needs to be ON, or Pre-ON number order first, esp. because some boats will have multiple dates.

I'll do what I can, and take it from there...

Martin Ojsyork (talk) 20:11, 27 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Added some extra boats

Not quite sure they are all Palmer type, esp the later ones over 40-foot??

Need to x-ref the actual station info, but that will take some time.

Work in progress!

MartinOjsyork (talk) 23:46, 27 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

A 40-foot boat is highly unlikely to be a Palmer design! I'll take a closer look next week and see how your list matches up with my (on-going) research. Geof Sheppard (talk) 16:24, 28 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

I took all the boats listed as "Norfolk and Suffolk" (NSP) from the LBES handbook, which clearly includes Palmer boats...but then realised that not all NSP are Palmer type.

Could find no more info on pre 1828 boats, and then realised they couldn't be Palmer type, because of the date.

The 1852 Branford built 32ft Palling boat is correct, according to Jeff Morris. I appreciate 40ft is a bit of a stretch, but I have no more info.

MartinOjsyork (talk) 18:58, 1 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]