Talk:Outremont, Quebec

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Should all this content be moved to the Outremont, borough, page at some point? There isn't much there... Shawn, Jan 6 2005

According to the census, Outremont is 15% Jewish. But I doubt it's entirely or even mostly Hasidic...MF

If you look at the cenotaph (war memorial) in outremeont's principal park (outremont park) you'll see alot of british and irish names which suggests that outremont was not traditionally francophone but rather a mix of francophones, anglophones, and jews whose mother tongue was yiddish.

Apparent bias regarding Jews and undue list of crimes

It's slightly concerning that there seems to be excessive mention of Jews in this article, largely associated with a long list of non-notable crimes which have recently occured. At least a couple of sections of the article seems to need a lot of rephrasing and cutting down to maintain WP:NPOV and to avoid BLP violations. Any help in making these changes would be welcomed. GiftigerWunsch [TALK] 15:40, 8 October 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Agreed. If you feel some of the text makes the article appear anti-Semitic, it might be an idea to move some of that offending text to this talk page (perhaps in a collapsed box) for further discussion and/or to invite others to propose alternatives. Though I reverted an earlier edit removing the text en-mass without justification, temporarily moving non-core text to improve undue weight (and in response to complaints) seems reasonable. Fæ (talk) 15:51, 8 October 2010 (UTC)[reply]

The area is a predominantly Jewish one, so mention of Jews is very relevant in any description of Outremont. There does, however, seem to be too much focus on negative aspects (cultural friction, political clashes, crime, etc.). I know the area well, and it is residential and generally affluent. I am not of the mind to ignore negative aspects in favour of showing an unrealistically rosy portrayal of Outremont, but although there may in fact be a rise in crime in the area, or 'friction' et al., I do not think that they merit mentions in an article giving general information on the Montreal borough. I suggest removing these sections completely, or moving them to an article about crime and friction in Outremont. Mattyleg (talk) 17:10, 8 October 2010 (UTC)[reply]

As I said, the crime section seems to almost entirely be simply a list of non-notable crimes in the area. Also, while the area may be a predominantly Jewish one, that should be mentioned in describing the predominant ethnicity of the area, and additionally where race may play an important role in the incident; specifically mentioning "members of the Hasidic Jewish community regularly flout the rules and regulations of the borough" (with no indication as to the result of the hearing mentioned), "Hassidic Jews were complaining..." put an unjustified negative slant on the Jewish community, while specifically mentioning "a Jewish school was fire bombed", "a young hassidic Jewish man was attacked", and "reinforcing the perception that Quebec breeds racism against Jews" all suggest racial attacks without presenting any evidence to that effect (as well as being excessive coverage of minor events as I mentioned). I'm particularly concerned by that last and the use of the term "reinforcing" to ([[WP:WEASEL|weaslly) suggest that Quebec is already seen as promoting anti-semitism. I think a lot of this needs to be addressed fairly quickly, and I would agree that removing most of the crime section is a good idea; I'd probably cut it down to the first sentence, that crime rates have increased (and also provide a source to that effect). GiftigerWunsch [TALK] 18:11, 8 October 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Well, references 14, 15 and 16 no longer exist either. Perhaps that the remaining paragraph on the subject could be shortened or removed since it is now unreferenced. 66.11.179.30 (talk) 06:39, 18 October 2011 (UTC)[reply]

References 9 and 11 also expired. 66.11.179.30 (talk) 06:45, 18 October 2011 (UTC)[reply]