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commanders table

Here is a table of Commanders in Chief adapted from the one used in the Pacific Station article. I've tried to clearly display gaps with ellipses. As more data and references are uncovered more of the gaps may be filled in. Then this table can eventually be transferred to the article. 67.86.75.96 (talk) 02:05, 5 March 2010 (UTC)[reply]

List of Commanders-in-chief^[1]^[2]
Commander-in-Chief	From	Until	Notes
	1745
...
Commodore Lord Alexander Collville	November 1759	October 1762
Commodore Richard Spry	October 1762	October 1763
Rear Admiral Lord Alexander Collville	October 1763	September 1766
Captain Joseph Deane	September 1766	November 1766	(Senior Captain)
Captain Archibald Kennedy	November 1766	July 1767	(Senior Captain)
Commodore Samuel Hood	July 1767	October 1770
Commodore James Gambier	October 1770	August 1771
Rear Admiral John Montagu	August 1771	June 1774
Vice Admiral Samuel Graves	June 1774	January 1776
...
Rear Admiral Thomas Graves	1780	1782^[3]
...
Richard Hughes			circa 1780s^[4]
...
Andrew Mitchell	1802	1806^[5]	Died in commission in Bermuda
...
John Warren	1813	1814^[6]
...
Vice-Admiral Edward Griffith Colpoys	20 February 1830	6 December 1832
Vice-Admiral George Cockburn	6 December 1832	12 February 1836
Vice-Admiral Peter Halkett	12 February 1836	11 February 1837	Admiral 10 January 1837
Vice-Admiral Charles Paget	11 February 1837	27 January 1839	Died in commission
Vice-Admiral Thomas Harvey	22 March 1839	28 May 1841	Died in commission
Vice-Admiral Charles Adam	17 August 1841	27 December 1844
Vice-Admiral Francis Austen	27 December 1844	12 January 1848
Vice-Admiral Thomas Cochrane	12 January 1848	13 January 1851
Vice-Admiral George Seymour	13 January 1851	23 November 1853
Rear-Admiral Arthur Fanshawe	23 November 1853	26 November 1856
Rear-Admiral Houston Stewart	26 November 1856	13 January 1860	Vice-Admiral 30 July 1857
Rear-Admiral Alexander Milne	13 January 1860	7 January 1864
Vice-Admiral James Hope	7 January 1864	10 January 1867
Vice-Admiral George Rodney Mundy	10 January 1867	30 June 1869	Admiral 26 May 1869
Vice-Admiral George Wellesley	30 June 1869	13 September 1870
Vice-Admiral Edward Gennys Fanshawe	13 September 1870	9 September 1873
Vice-Admiral George Wellesley	9 September 1873	22 December 1875
Vice-Admiral Astley Cooper Key	22 December 1875	1 April 1878
Vice-Admiral Edward Augustus Inglefield	1 April 1878	27 November 1879
Vice-Admiral Francis Leopold McClintock	27 November 1879	7 November 1882
Vice-Admiral John Edmund Commerell	7 November 1882	25 August 1885
Vice-Admiral Richard Meade	25 August 1885	4 September 1886
Vice-Admiral Algernon Lyons	4 September 1886	15 December 1888
Vice-Admiral George Willes Watson	15 December 1888	15 December 1891
Vice-Admiral John Ommanney Hopkins	15 December 1891	17 April 1895
Vice-Admiral James Elphinstone Erskine	17 April 1895	15 September 1897
Vice-Admiral John Arbuthnot Fisher	15 September 1897	1 May 1899
Frederick Bedford	1899	1903^[7]
...
W. L. Grant	1918^[8]
Commander-in-Chief, North America and West Indies^[9]	From	Until	Notes
Vice-Admiral Trevylyan Dacres Willes Napier	1 December 1919	16 October 1920
Vice-Admiral William Christopher Pakenham	16 October 1920	1 January 1923	Promoted to Admiral 6 April 1922
Vice-Admiral Michael Culme-Seymour	1 January 1923	26 May 1924
Vice-Admiral James Andrew Fergusson	26 May 1924	2 June 1926	Promoted to Admiral 1 August 1927
Commander-in-Chief, America and West Indies^[9]	From	Until	Notes
Vice-Admiral Walter Henry Cowan	2 June 1926	5 June 1928	Promoted to Admiral 1 August 1927
Vice-Admiral Cyril Thomas Moulden Fuller	5 June 1928	7 May 1930
Vice-Admiral Vernon Harry Stuart Haggard	7 May 1930	11 May 1932
Rear-Admiral Reginald Aylmer Ranfurly Plunkett-Ernle-Erle-Drax	11 May 1932	26 May 1937
Vice-Admiral Matthew Robert Best	21 November 1934	26 May 1937
Admiral Sidney Julius Meyrick	26 May 1937	at least 1939^[10]
...
Vice Admiral William G. Andrewes			circa 1952 and later
...

^ Stout, Neil R. (1973). The Royal Navy in America, 1760-1775: A Study of Enforcement of British Colonial Policy in the Era of the American Revolution. Annapolis, MD: Naval Institute Press. p. 199.
^ Davis, Peter. "Principal Royal Navy Commanders-in-Chief 1830-1899". Retrieved 2010-03-04.
^ "Graves, Thomas, Admiral 1st Baron Graves, 1725-1802... – GRV/101-120". National Maritime Museum. Retrieved 2010-03-05.
^ "Research guide N1: Horatio Nelson : Biographies - Cook and Nelson : Research guides : The Library : Researchers : NMM". National Maritime Museum. Retrieved 2010-03-05.
^ "Union Flag (AAA0575) - National Maritime Museum". National Maritime Museum. Retrieved 2010-03-05.
^ Newfield, Gareth. "Crimes of the Independent Companies of Foreigners in North America, 1813 by Gareth Newfield". Retrieved 2010-03-04.
^ "Bedford, Sir Frederick George Denham, Admiral, 1838-1913... – BED". National Maritime Museum. Retrieved 2010-03-05.
^ Schliehauf, Bill. "Plan "BCR"". Retrieved 2010-03-04. {{cite web}}: Unknown parameter |coauthors= ignored (|author= suggested) (help)
^ ^a ^b Bevand, Paul A. (21 Ocotber 2007). "Holders of the appointment Commander-in-Chief, America and West Indies 1904-1945". Retrieved 2010-04-03. {{cite web}}: Check date values in: |date= (help); Unknown parameter |coauthor= ignored (|author= suggested) (help)
^ Niehorster, Leo (1 May 2001). "America and West Indies Command, Royal Navy, 3.09.39". Retrieved 2010-03-04.

Page Title

Why was "North American and West Indies Station" chosen over North American Station, North America and West Indies Station, America and West Indies Station, and finally, West Indies Station? --Simon Harley (Talk | Library). 16:31, 29 December 2010 (UTC)[reply]

See discussion below:

(Addressed to User:Buckshot06) I note and agree with your attempt to update the title of the North American Station article. However to apply the last used name I suspect we should use "America and West Indies Station". What do you think? Dormskirk (talk) 22:15, 28 December 2010 (UTC)[reply]

I suppose you may be right. But if anything, I probably went with including 'North' because the station had that appelation for most of it's history, and was thus better known under that name. A&WI was only the title for a short period. Buckshot06 (talk) 03:46, 29 December 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Good point. I am very happy to stick with your choice. Dormskirk (talk) 09:25, 29 December 2010 (UTC

I don't think it was actually officially called the North American and West Indies Station though. Certainly not in the Navy Lists I've looked at, an Admiralty ledger of flag appointments from 1907 to 1919, or the Service Records of C.-in-C.s up to and including Cowan. --Simon Harley (Talk | Library). 16:46, 29 December 2010 (UTC)[reply]

I noticed that myself. I think the ideal would be "North America and West Indies Station". We need an admin to move the article to that title (I have tried myself without success). Dormskirk (talk) 16:52, 29 December 2010 (UTC)[reply]

I recall trying to move something years ago with dire results. I thought I'd bring the subject up since you've had to correct God knows how many links recently. --Simon Harley (Talk | Library). 17:06, 29 December 2010 (UTC)[reply]

I think we need User:Buckshot06 to do the move (he is an admin so he probably knows what he is doing). I am quite happy to fix the links again afterwards once we have got the title entirely correct. Dormskirk (talk) 17:14, 29 December 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Move is made - thanks for drawing this to my attention. Hope you are both having good holidays.. Buckshot06 (talk) 20:15, 29 December 2010 (UTC)[reply]

That's great. Many thanks and best wishes to you too. Dormskirk (talk) 20:23, 29 December 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Senior Naval Officer, West Indies was the title from 1956, NOT Commodore WI

Copied for information from User talk:Navops47

I have just reviewed your edits at North America & West Indies Station and seen your inaccurate replacement of SNOWI with Commodore West Indies at [1] on 7 June 2018. I inserted the correct data on 15 June 2008 - that the A & WI station was replaced by SNOWI [2]. While the reference supporting the edit disappeared (UK Chiefs of Staff Committee, Command in the Caribbean, DEFE 5/188/4, January 1971, via The National Archives) another clear reference can be seen here - https://ziladoc.com/download/the-naval-review-3_pdf - page 68 of that issue of the Naval Review. I would kindly ask you again to ensure that any of your wholesale copying over from Colin Mackie's site is carefully checked - I am losing my patience running around cleaning up after your edits of dubious competence!! Buckshot06 (talk) 01:24, 26 June 2020 (UTC)[reply]

British naval forces subordinated to USN in Western Atlantic, World War II

Dear Aodhdubh, you have again reinstated a claim in this article that "The senior British officer was subordinated to his United States Navy counterpart as the Allied command in the North Atlantic was divided, with the United States taking command in the West and the United Kingdom in the East" during World War II.

You appear to have inferred this from the title change from Commander-in-Chief, America and West Indies, to Senior British Naval Officer, Western Atlantic, in the 1942-1945 period.

Please come to wt:milhist and explain your sources more - nothing in your sources indicates why you might believe this. Suggest we talk at Milhist because not many people will look at this talk page. Kind regards, Buckshot06 (talk) 23:12, 24 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]

[stout-1] Stout, Neil R. (1973). The Royal Navy in America, 1760-1775: A Study of Enforcement of British Colonial Policy in the Era of the American Revolution. Annapolis, MD: Naval Institute Press. p. 199.

[davis-2] Davis, Peter. "Principal Royal Navy Commanders-in-Chief 1830-1899". Retrieved 2010-03-04.

[nmm_graves-3] "Graves, Thomas, Admiral 1st Baron Graves, 1725-1802... – GRV/101-120". National Maritime Museum. Retrieved 2010-03-05.

[nmm_hughes-4] "Research guide N1: Horatio Nelson : Biographies - Cook and Nelson : Research guides : The Library : Researchers : NMM". National Maritime Museum. Retrieved 2010-03-05.

[nmm_mitchell-5] "Union Flag (AAA0575) - National Maritime Museum". National Maritime Museum. Retrieved 2010-03-05.

[newfield-6] Newfield, Gareth. "Crimes of the Independent Companies of Foreigners in North America, 1813 by Gareth Newfield". Retrieved 2010-03-04.

[nmm_bedford-7] "Bedford, Sir Frederick George Denham, Admiral, 1838-1913... – BED". National Maritime Museum. Retrieved 2010-03-05.

[schliehauf-8] Schliehauf, Bill. "Plan "BCR"". Retrieved 2010-03-04. {{cite web}}: Unknown parameter |coauthors= ignored (|author= suggested) (help)

[bevand_allen-9] Bevand, Paul A. (21 Ocotber 2007). "Holders of the appointment Commander-in-Chief, America and West Indies 1904-1945". Retrieved 2010-04-03. {{cite web}}: Check date values in: |date= (help); Unknown parameter |coauthor= ignored (|author= suggested) (help)

[niehorster-10] Niehorster, Leo (1 May 2001). "America and West Indies Command, Royal Navy, 3.09.39". Retrieved 2010-03-04.

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