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"But we're talking queens and successions . . ."

Although Kiara isn't technically Nala's successor, it makes more sense to follow the canon that Disney set to avoid confusing people. Blue Phoenix 12:43, 7 October 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Since the box thing isn't there, this is a moot point now. Blue Phoenix 11:54, 24 December 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Don't know??? (Meetable character)

I see. According to the article, there is a place where Nala is in the park somewhere, but, I don't know. My suggestion is for Disney's Animal Kingdom (perfect for the park!!!!)

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Swahili meaning of the word Nala

The meaning of the word "Nala" in Kiswahili is not gift. It is the shortened form of "Nakula" meaning "I am eating" —Preceding unsigned comment added by 69.85.217.246 (talk) 20:33, 25 March 2008 (UTC)[reply]

You may well be right. I've looked up "Nala" in a few Swahili dictionaries and found no such word. However, I've found that Nala is an actual name and supposedly means "loved" in an African context. It would make sense, since Mufasa's name isn't a Swahili word but rather a proper name, so not all of the characters' names have dictionary meanings. Blue Phoenix (talk) 00:33, 24 September 2008 (UTC)[reply]

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Merge/Redirect to The Lion King

Article was boldly redirected to The Lion King per discussions at the former character list (which consensus agreed should be redirected), but it was undone. Per request, now starting a merge discussion. The character of Nala has no real world notability. It has been tagged for over 2 months to point out this issue, and no evidence has been presented yet to refute this. The article has no third-party sourcing, and is nothing but a repeat of the plot of the films and game with WP:OR and one "source" that is a fansite. As the plot of the individual works is already better covered in the individual article, and as Nala the character fails WP:N and this article fails WP:NOT and WP:WAF, I suggest restoring the redirect. -- AnmaFinotera (talk · contribs) 22:40, 20 September 2009 (UTC)[reply]

I oppose this merger as the character has appearances in several media outside The Lion King and is one of the more identifiable characters of the franchise. --LoЯd ۞pεth 02:28, 23 September 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Merge so long as there is no assertion of notability outside of the film. "Appearing in several media" is not a get-out-of-jail free pass. It's an indication that there might be notability for the subject, but given that the "other media" is just Lion King merchandise and spin-offs, the idea tha tit's "outside The Lion King" is a stretched one. There needs to be reliable sources providing "significant coverage" outside of the main source. In other words, if they are reviewing The Lion King and in the process discussing Nala, then that isn't proof of the character's notability. That's proof that the film was notable. BIGNOLE (Contact me) 04:30, 23 September 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Weak Oppose as the article stands now I will agree it is not sufficient to substain itself as a "stand-alone" article, however with more reliable sources I believe that the character of Nala would be justified in having its own article like Simba and Mufasa due to the prominance of the character throughout the film franchise.DrNegative (talk) 05:29, 23 September 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Can you provide any such sources that actually discuss and analyze the character of Nala, not just mention her as part of the film review? And, sorry, but Mufasa is just as bad and is another one that needs a merge discussion and as it stands, so does Simba...none of them are "justified" in having an article based purely on their role within the films. -- AnmaFinotera (talk · contribs) 13:47, 23 September 2009 (UTC)[reply]

I do understand what your saying, but if you were to do that, why not merge "Darth Vader" or "Yoda" with "Star Wars" for example? What exactly is the policy on this? DrNegative (talk) 14:49, 23 September 2009 (UTC)[reply]

They have articles not because of their roles in the films, but because they have significant, real-world notability (though I'd question Yoda's having its own article from its current state...Vader is a cultural icon, Yoda...). See WP:N for the guideline, and WP:NOT for the related policy. Also, WP:WAF and WP:MOSFILM may be helpful. -- AnmaFinotera (talk · contribs) 15:57, 23 September 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Merge, in light of the discussion, guidelines, and Erik's idea for a character franchise page, I now agree a "Merge" would be best. DrNegative (talk) 03:10, 2 October 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Comment: I think that we could use an overarching article for all things related to The Lion King. A franchise article, perhaps? I say this because Nala does not appear only in the first film. While I agree that the article should not stand on its own, I'd rather have a franchise article that can identify in summary form the various topics -- the films, the musicals, the video games, and so forth. While I do not want plot detail about the characters in such an article, a table of the characters and the related voice cast could be of interest. Just a larger thought, considering that Nala is not exclusive to the first film. Erik (talk | contribs | wt:film) 17:24, 23 September 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Merge Maybe create a new article with all lion king's character. I don't find Nala with any notability. I believe only simba and timon and pumba deserve their own article and maybe scar or mufasa. Ricardoread (talk) 16:00, 27 September 2009 (UTC)[reply]

There already was a list of characters which was redirected per consensus because it was nothing but a repetition of the plot. There really aren't that many actual major characters in all three films except Simba, Timon, Pumba, and Nala, and without significant coverage in reliable, third-party sources, a standalone article just isn't necessary. As Erik notes, though, the series really does need a central franchise article, similar to what is done with other 3+ film series. -- AnmaFinotera (talk · contribs) 03:31, 9 October 2009 (UTC)[reply]

I agree that there are no major characters except Simba, timon, and Pumba (I don't consider Nala a major character). However, I think an article having all of the minor characters can be done OR have a list within the Lion King article. Ricardoread (talk) 03:42, 9 October 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Minor characters are just that, minor. They are not notable and such characters lists are almost always deleted in AfD. Film articles generally do not have character sections (see WP:MOSFILM) as the plot already gives pertinent details about any relevant character. Keep in mind, Wikipedia is an encyclopedia, so plotty information should be kept brief and within the context of the overall real-world notability of a topic. That said, see my response to your similar post at the Film project talk page regarding the possibility of a franchise article, which might be a place where major recurring characters may be listed (probably not minor ones, however). -- AnmaFinotera (talk · contribs) 03:49, 9 October 2009 (UTC)[reply]

One thing I don't understand here... How do you figure Nala as being a minor character? She's at least as important to the story as Rafiki and Zazu, and at least as notable in terms of appearances in other media and merchandise. So why did Nala get a merge while those two still have separate articles about them? --mwalimu59 (talk) 18:53, 29 October 2009 (UTC)[reply]

She is minor in terms of Wikipedia notability. The other two are as well, they just have not been dealt with, same as Mufasa. -- AnmaFinotera (talk · contribs) 20:02, 29 October 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Be Prepared (Reprise)

Important aspect to Nala's chacterisation (albeit deleted from the final film). it explains much about her character, her relationship with Scar, and the reason she randomly appears to the Hakuna Matata trio half way through the film.--Coin945 (talk) 15:57, 3 November 2015 (UTC)[reply]

GA Review

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Reviewer: FunkMonk (talk · contribs) 23:01, 29 February 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Hi, I'll review this article. FunkMonk (talk) 23:01, 29 February 2016 (UTC)[reply]

The infobox image seems too high res for fair use. Also, I'm sure an image where she looks a bit more neutral could be found?

Done.--Changedforbetter (talk) 19:03, 1 March 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Still too high res for fair use, should only be 400 pixels wide.[1] FunkMonk (talk) 19:10, 1 March 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Okay, I think I finally got it. There was an overlooked error in my last upload.--Changedforbetter (talk) 23:45, 1 March 2016 (UTC)[reply]

"Nala and Simba when they grow up" Seems like an odd caption. I'd expect something like "Adult Nala and Simba in the Lion King (1994)" or some such.

Image simply removed. It serves no purpose in the article; it was added without my knowledge.--Changedforbetter (talk) 18:08, 1 March 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Much of Film and television is unreferenced.

Done. Additional sources added. Anything else?--Changedforbetter (talk) 00:21, 2 March 2016 (UTC)[reply]

"Film critic James Berardinelli identified Nala as the film's "sole significant female character."[1] Doesn't this make more sense under reception?

Yes, it would ALSO make sense in "Reception", but I included it in the writing section because the quote clarifies Nala's role in the film's story, similar to the last paragraph in the section. The passage isn't really a review of the character; Berardinelli's actual review of Nala has been included in reception.--Changedforbetter (talk) 19:34, 2 March 2016 (UTC)[reply]

"during which an increasingly senile Scar" He becomes increasingly senile during the song?

Removed.--Changedforbetter (talk) 19:34, 2 March 2016 (UTC)[reply]

" Identified by Oh My Disney as "the proverbial glue that holds The Lion King together",[10] Candice Russel of the Sun-Sentinel believes that Nala contributes to the film's love story – "an indispensable factor in Disney cartoon features" – in addition to convincing Simba to return to Pride Rock.[11][12]" Seems this sentence could be cut, not sure why two different statements by different sources need to be in the same sentence.

Separated into two sentences.--Changedforbetter (talk) 19:34, 2 March 2016 (UTC)[reply]

"Oh My Disney" could be presented. What is it? A website?

Done. "The website Oh My Disney..."--Changedforbetter (talk) 19:34, 2 March 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Perhaps also show an image of Nala as a cub, since this "stage" is pretty significant?

I don't see the necessity. It would require the uploading of another non-free image (screenshot). Plus, Nala's role as a cub is far less important than her role as an adult; that version of the character appears for a total 15 minutes of screen time and, unlike Simba, has little weight in the story in comparison to her adult counterpart.--Changedforbetter (talk) 19:34, 2 March 2016 (UTC)[reply]

"unlike Disney's three previous animated efforts." Perhaps mention these in parenthesis.

Sure. Done.--Changedforbetter (talk) 19:34, 2 March 2016 (UTC)[reply]

I don't see it, though? Perhaps it was missed. FunkMonk (talk) 22:35, 2 March 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Solved.--Changedforbetter (talk) 07:53, 4 March 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Oh, I meant mention what the three films are in parenthesis, not put the existing sentence in parenthesis... FunkMonk (talk) 01:01, 5 March 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Got it.

"and but is willing to" And but? Does the source really say this?

Yes, the source does in fact say this; "and" replaced with ellipses (...)--Changedforbetter (talk) 19:34, 2 March 2016 (UTC)[reply]

"The film's entire recording process took approximately three years to complete" Dates? From when to when?

Not in source; if I knew the date I would have included it. The film was produced between 1988 and 1994, but no source found clarifies how much of that was spent recording voices.--Changedforbetter (talk) 19:34, 2 March 2016 (UTC)[reply]

"during which Kelly's sessions were held in both the United States and Canada, while her co-stars Broderick and Jeremy Irons, voice of Scar, were recording in the United States and England, respectively" When?

See above.--Changedforbetter (talk) 19:34, 2 March 2016 (UTC)[reply]

"A straight woman" already linked earlier.

Unlinked.--Changedforbetter (talk) 19:34, 2 March 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Might say "A straight woman character", to leave out ambiguity as to what is meant.

Done.

"the musician was 15 years old at the time" Why not say singer?

Changed to singer.--Changedforbetter (talk) 19:34, 2 March 2016 (UTC)[reply]

"much of her footage from the first film was simply reused" What is meant by footage here?

Changed to Nala's footage.--Changedforbetter (talk) 19:34, 2 March 2016 (UTC)[reply]

"Kelly's performance as Nala is responsible for introducing the actress to a younger audience, who had been better known for" It now looks as if the part after the comma refers to "a younger audience", not the actress...

Changed to "to a younger audience. Previously, she had been better known..."--Changedforbetter (talk) 19:34, 2 March 2016 (UTC)[reply]

"A straight woman, Kelly described Nala as a sensible and nurturing yet authoritative character,[15] while Amber Leab of Bitch Flicks described her as strong, independent and intelligent.[29] According to Oh My Disney, Nala serves as "the proverbial glue that keeps The Lion King together"," Much of this is already mentioned under development. Should probably be cut in one of these places, probably from development.

"According to Oh My Disney, Nala serves as "the proverbial glue that keeps The Lion King together" removed.--Changedforbetter (talk) 19:34, 2 March 2016 (UTC)[reply]

"the film could have having a "patriarchal structure."" Something wrong here.

"avoided"--Changedforbetter (talk) 19:34, 2 March 2016 (UTC)[reply]

"belongs to a trio of Disney heroines who" Who are the others?

Faline and Maid Marian from Bambi and Robin Hood added.--Changedforbetter (talk) 19:34, 2 March 2016 (UTC)[reply]

"A young Nala debuted in The Lion King (1994) as the" I'd expect the title of the film to be mentioned and linked much earlier in the article body?

Unlinked.--Changedforbetter (talk) 03:29, 3 March 2016 (UTC)[reply]

You could still mention the title of the film itself earlier. FunkMonk (talk) 11:42, 3 March 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Done. First paragraph, first line.--Changedforbetter (talk) 07:52, 4 March 2016 (UTC)[reply]

"Elephant Graveyard " Should this really be capitalised?

Yes. The location is usually capitalized in Lion King media, just like Pride Rock and Pride Lands.--Changedforbetter (talk) 03:29, 3 March 2016 (UTC)[reply]

"a trio of hyenas hired by" Is hired the right word here?

Replaced with chosen?--Changedforbetter (talk) 03:29, 3 March 2016 (UTC)[reply]

"around Nala and Simba's son Kovu who" Isn't Kovu the name of "Zira"'s son?

Careless mistake. Changed to Kion.--Changedforbetter (talk) 03:29, 3 March 2016 (UTC)[reply]

There is a bit of overlinking left.

Examples?--Changedforbetter (talk) 03:29, 3 March 2016 (UTC)[reply]

There are at least four. You can highlight them with the Highlight duplicate links tool. FunkMonk (talk) 07:44, 3 March 2016 (UTC)[reply]

How do I access this tool?--Changedforbetter (talk) 07:52, 4 March 2016 (UTC)[reply]

This script should do the trick:[2] FunkMonk (talk) 21:12, 4 March 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Think I took care of this.--Changedforbetter (talk) 07:13, 5 March 2016 (UTC)[reply]

"a young Nala's speaking voice" The young Nala?
Changed to young Nala.--Changedforbetter (talk) 03:29, 3 March 2016 (UTC)[reply]
"Created by screenwriters Irene Mecchi, Jonathan Roberts and Linda Woolverton, and animated by Aaron Blaise and Anthony de Rosa" There should not be unique info in the intro. The intro is just a summary of the article body.

Removed.--Changedforbetter (talk) 03:29, 3 March 2016 (UTC)[reply]

"introduced in Walt Disney Pictures' 32nd animated feature film" Likewise.

32nd removed.--Changedforbetter (talk) 03:29, 3 March 2016 (UTC)[reply]

I think I've addressed everything. Thoughts?--Changedforbetter (talk) 07:14, 5 March 2016 (UTC)[reply]

I think it all looks good, and with the two last things fixed, I'll pass it now. FunkMonk (talk) 10:09, 5 March 2016 (UTC)[reply]

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Name meaning

I've been seeing a lot of people as of late saying that "Nala" in fact isn't an actual Swahili word, let alone the translation of "gift", so why does the article say it is and have a dead link as its citation? 24.71.174.179 (talk) 00:49, 14 March 2019 (UTC)[reply]