Talk:Muslim views on astrology

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This article is very biased. All of the scholars cited have a Wahhabi/Salafi leaning. In addition, the hadith presented are not necessarily the definitive hadith on the topic, and a couple of them are considered weak hadith by many schools. In addition, many of the hadith and verses presented have had their meanings stretched and there is much interperetation on the part of the author. The author is obviously very studious and is obviously well versed in Salafi/Wahhabi thought. His mistake was presenting these views on Astrology as THE Islamic perspective on Astrology. Also astrology and fortunetelling were used interchangably. The author does not seem to have a clear grasp on what Astrology really is and how it is presented and used by certified astrologers. The type of "astrology" the author presents is the stereotype of astrology that certified astrologers and astrological scholars have aimed to dispel through education and research. The influence of celestial phenomena on people as studied by certified astrologists is no more an attempt to "Tell fortunes" or "See the unseen" as Psychologists who study seasonal affective disorder or the influence of tides over manic depressives. Please make the article more neutral and accurate. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Chillinchillin (talk • contribs)

I agree with the above statement. This article seems to Takfir folks who read the horoscopes in newspapers. Seems salafi'ist. --Irishpunktom\^talk 16:57, 12 September 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Proposed merge

Please discuss this at talk:Arab and Persian astrology#Proposed merge--Sefringle 01:56, 15 May 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Merging involves slightly more than simply redirecting the page. —Ruud 19:35, 20 May 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Than move the content to Arab and Persian astrology.--Sefringle 20:54, 20 May 2007 (UTC)[reply]

If you want to redirect the article, then it is your responsibility to merge the content. —Ruud 20:59, 20 May 2007 (UTC)[reply]

The relevant (and sourced) parts are already in the article. I'm not going to move the unsourced content into that article.--Sefringle 21:00, 20 May 2007 (UTC)[reply]

What about that external link at the bottom? Why did you post an "information to be placed somewhere" on the other article's talk page. Do it good or don't do it at all. —Ruud 21:08, 20 May 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Wasn't sure where to place it, so I just put it on the talk page for someone else to find a good place.--Sefringle 21:16, 20 May 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Then why not let someone more knowledgeable on the subject perform the merge? Have you considered asking at Wikipedia:WikiProject Astrology? —Ruud 21:24, 20 May 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Proposed move

This article doesn't establish the existence of Islamic astrology, but rather presents Muslim views on it.

Thus, I propose moving this to "Islamic views on astrology", given the considerable debate and "refutation" my Islamic scholars on the issue.VR _talk 23:53, 9 March 2009 (UTC)[reply]

List cleanup

The list Prominent Muslim, Arab, Persian, and/or Middle Eastern and North African astrologers have no good rationale. It contains every conceivable person that might have diddled with astrology in a certain area. The Biblical Magi (the "Three Wise Men") are legendary, and might have existed in the human imagination only (or, might be unattestedly real, same difference). Hypatia and Porphyry, platonists, are irrelevant here, unless a major influence upon a hypothesized astrological tradition inside the moslem sphere can be ascertained. Berossus similarly. Rursus dixit. (^mbork³!) 08:20, 17 February 2010 (UTC)[reply]

I propose only muslim astrologers are kept, the remainder can be saved to this talk page and be put back when their significances are established. Rursus dixit. (^mbork³!) 08:24, 17 February 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Turkey

Added the view of the state-sponsored Diyanet Vakfı.Solri (talk) 08:08, 4 January 2011 (UTC)[reply]