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Confusion in municipality and economy section

I'm removing one of the paragraphs from the final section, and modifying another because the source that the information is based on is the site of the mayor's office of Morelia - Caquetá, Colombia rather than Morelia, Michoacán. Interestingly, the two cities seem to share a similar economic base (both rely heavily on tourism and agriculture), but the more detailed information obviously pertains to the Morelia in Colombia rather than the one in Mexico. I don't have time to look up the details to replace the information -- which is why I'm deleting it -- but here is the URL to the web site for the Morelia in Mexico: http://www.morelia.gob.mx/.

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Peacock Words

In the "tour" section of the article there are many phrases like "feast on the eyes" that seem NPOV. If somebody can fix it before I can, that would be great. Dspserpico 16:36, 9 May 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Races & Ethnic groups??

What ethnic groups settled in Morelia?? my husband is from there and his family is blue & green eyed but they have no idea who they come from other than they are Mexicans. --Isabel —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 4.153.29.192 (talk) 05:42, 2 February 2007 (UTC).[reply]

Ethnic groups settling in Morelia were predominately Spanish, and later French-Belgian, during the French Intervention.

This article needs some corrections

The images are very big and that makes the page load slow. I'll be adding more pictures tomorrow.

Excelent pictures

Thanks to Dragon Lost in Mexico for the excelent pictures!. --Odiseo79 20:51, 24 July 2007 (UTC)[reply]

The Conservatorio de Música

Quoting the article: "The Conservatorio de Música de las Rosas of Morelia was the first music conservatory in the Americas."

It would be good to know the approximate date it began. Also to have a reference. Wanderer57 (talk) 21:46, 14 March 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Permission to Permute

I am asking permission to change all the content in this Page to Morelia, Michoacan as it chould be the main article, and not just a redirection to this article Leonoel (talk) 04:30, 19 August 2008 (UTC)[reply]

My interpretation is this: The page should be moved to Morelia, Michoacan, as proposed above, then Morelia (disambiguation) moved over this name. The genus of snake is equally notable.

By the way, is there a reference to support the local football club being well known as just "Morelia". cygnis insignis 17:07, 21 October 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Requested move

The following is a closed discussion of the proposal. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on the talk page. No further edits should be made to this section.

The result of the proposal was No consensus - no strong evidence to move, no clear consensus to move the article. Parsecboy (talk) 02:33, 27 October 2008 (UTC) Discussion:[reply]

Oppose. This is best fixed by improving the hatnote, which I've just done. 87.112.234.233 (talk) 20:21, 21 October 2008 (UTC)[reply]

The carpet and diamond pythons are as beautiful (and notable) as this city. cygnis insignis 20:54, 21 October 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Oppose This article follows WikiProject Mexico naming conventions, and is clearly the primary topic; Google returns about 1,000,000 hists for "Morelia" alone, 700,000 for "Morelia Mexico" and less than 100,000 for "Morelia snake" or "Morelia python". --Rogerb67 (talk) 02:25, 22 October 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Google scholar indicates that the genus is more notable. Those naming conventions relate to dabs within geographic articles, this is the only place named that, they don't state that they are more notable than other topics. The genus Morelia is not within the scope of Wikiproject Mexico, and encyclopedias cover more topics than atlases. Science and natural history articles are key topics on wikipedia; the pythons of this genus are very well known, widely discussed in scientific literature, and in very high demand (as pets) around the world. The dab will quickly direct the reader to the completely different topic of the same name, we need to consider this above individual project naming conventions. The trend is usually for geo articles to go to City, State, why would that be a problem? cygnis insignis 05:44, 22 October 2008 (UTC)[reply]

I understand the naming conventions; my comment was intended to mean, if the page did not follow the naming conventions currently, it should be moved anyway, regardless of any primary topic considerations. That does not apply. I agree that, if the place were not the primary topic, it should be moved to an appropriate disambiguated place. And if the genus were shown to be the primary topic, under that name, it should have the page. However, I am utterly skeptical that the non-expert user that wants to know about one or more of these pythons is going to use the search term "Morelia": This is the audience intended by WP:PRIMARYTOPIC. Clearly the genus will have a lot of hits on Google scholar, as every scientific article written about one of these snakes will contain the name. This tells us little about the search patterns of the average Wikipedia user, who is unlikely to know the scientific name at all, and might search for "python" for example. Conversely, most searches for the place will use its name. Data from [stats.grok.se] supports this hypothesis; in contrast to the 667 hits for Morelia (genus), Pythonidae got 13365. I do not think it is coincidence that the latter is the page to which python redirects. It seems that most searchers are bypassing the Morelia (genus) page. Article space page links follow the same pattern; the place has over 200, the genus less than 30. I have to say that I am having some doubts about my method searching Google now; Morelia Mexico is too likely to generate insignificant matches such as addresses, and Morelia snake will generate results from items about individual species, which would not come to the genus page. I tried to replicate your results on Google Scholar, but wasn't really able to. Could you share your methodology – links would help if appropriate. In the absence of a good Google search (and Google is a blunt tool anyway), the article stats above and produced by the IP user below do seem to support my instinct that the place is the primary topic. --Rogerb67 (talk) 09:42, 22 October 2008 (UTC)[reply]

The search I used was Scholar: Morelia, sorry about my lazy response. Your contribution is helpful, it outlines the pros and cons very well. I came at this from a different direction, after contributing to the Morelia articles, but I tried to objectively consider the data produced by those tools. I would not describe it as methodology, I try to apply policy and guidelines to my improvements. By searching google Australia, a country where the pythons occur, the results mostly refer to the snakes. I also noticed that in Sept there was a bombing in the city, skewing the results in that month. Searching on Morelia -Michoacán -Michoacan -Mexico gives a broader result that includes the genus. Until the helpful ip editor added the hatnote, the genus was three clicks away, I suspect this skewed the results as well. It also relies on the reader finding the hat note under the large tag. I considered the notion of a Primary Topic and how that relates to this ambiguous name, it presumably rests on the weight given to some topics. In geographic articles, a strong focus of the editing community, notability is easily established through popular sources. The name of the genus is very important (see: Binomial nomenclature), both internationally and interdisciplinary, because it it is stringently reviewed. Because of their significance they are impeccably referenced.

Any reference to particular members of Pythonidae would almost always use the genus names, in some contexts it is compulsory. It is used habitually by anyone interested in living creatures, to avoid any ambiguity, and these creatures are high profile and well known in the regions in which they occur. Articles on genera contain verifiable and reliable sources to an accepted name, the referenced names have integrity that is universally cited. I know of very notable genus article that is a 'primary topic', but the articles in the dab (including a place!) are named for the genus. That is not the case here, each article is primary in its own way. The city has its football team, this genus has its species. It is the name of one genus of "pythons", the collective name of closely related species, and is therefore the first half of its proper and accepted names, eg. Morelia spilota and this incomplete list: Category:Morelia.

There is enough ambiguity surrounding pythons, anything we can do to reduce the confusion is useful. The informal name 'python' loosely refers to a large and diverse group of snakes, the family Pythonidae, which contains around 30 species arranged into genera. One genus is named Python, so Python reticularis, another is Morelia. This is not just another name, Morelia is the name for the genus and therefore the first part of 7 recognised names. This genus name, accepted since 1842, is just as important as the city name.

In addition, in facts just come to hand, here is another dab that is relevant to all this. cygnis insignis 14:14, 22 October 2008 (UTC)[reply]

No apology is necessary. I'm afraid none of this information has changed my mind. I'm sure Morelia is in common use – among scientific specialists who deal with this genus, collectors and the like. But this is not the target audience of Wikipedia; such people are likely to use more specialist resources such as Wikispecies, which you linked to. Wikipedia is supposed to be "accessible and understandable for as many readers as possible", and is intended for the lay reader. Despite its importance and long history in the scientific field, which I do not for a moment doubt (although I would note that according to the article, the city has been known as Morelia since 1828, and is a world heritage site, giving it importance, prestige and a long history as well), there is no doubt at all in my mind that the majority of English Wikipedia readers have never heard of Morelia as a genus – even English-speakers in regions where the species are common – and would never dream of entering it as a search term for a snake. Nor do I think they are likely to come across it in everyday life. I really can't imagine a news item in a newspaper entitled "Morelia spilota variegata ate my Mesocricetus auratus"; "Carpet python ate my hamster" seems much more likely to me, even though it is less exact. And this is our target audience, and the level at which WP:PRIMARYTOPIC is aimed. I've taken a look at the Google searches you suggest, on Google Australia, and don't see a preponderance of references to the genus; even the titles of scientific articles I saw use it as a parenthetical clarifier to a common name. Restricting the search to "websites in Australia" does increase the number of snake hits, but I don't see how this restriction can be justified, and again many of the hits are for parenthetical clarifiers rather than the main title. Google news and Google books return links about the city (even discounting news about the recent attacks in the city). Even if one were to concede that Morelia is the primary topic within Australia (and I don't on the current evidence), that is only a small part of Wikipedia's target audience. Can the same be demonstrated for other English-speaking parts of the world? Unless you can demonstrate that use of Morelia as a genus is at least comparably common to its use as a city in the kind of context I mention; books aimed at the lay reader, newspapers, etc., I will not be changing my vote. --Rogerb67 (talk) 21:46, 22 October 2008 (UTC)[reply]

The stats tool [stats.grok.se] strongly suggests that this move is a bad idea. In September: 10057 hits for the town, 667 hits for the genus. I suspect people go directly to things like "carpet python", which had 2140 hits in September. 87.113.52.233 (talk) 08:18, 22 October 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks for noting that, "carpet python" was redirecting to the wrong article, Morelia spilota variegata. I fixed that, it now goes to one of the Morelia species instead, Morelia spilota. cygnis insignis 14:45, 22 October 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Support, provided Michoacán is spelled with its á. Disambiguation seems justified in this case. Aille (talk) 17:59, 22 October 2008 (UTC)[reply]

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Famous people from Morelia

I don't know who's a regular editor in this page, but I wanted to suggest a section on "Famous people." I think it would suit this article very well. For example, I was reading that Felipe Calderon Hinojosa is a native from Morelia. ComputerJA (talk) 20:12, 20 October 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Great idea, but I've been monitoring this article for quite a while, and I've noticed that there are not enough editors to mantain such a section, and I'm afraid said section would be subject to frequent vandalism and entries with not enough notability. Anyway, please let me know if I can help in any way. --Odiseo79 (talk) 00:04, 19 October 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Alberto Aguilera Valadez AKA Juan Gabriel was born on January 7, 1950, in Parácuaro, Michoacán. Alfredo Zalce Torres, Born in Pátzcuaro, Michoacán in 1908 Marco Antonio Solís was born in Ario de Rosales, Michoacán, México, 29 de diciembre de 1959 — Preceding unsigned comment added by 74.7.31.169 (talk) 19:57, 13 April 2017 (UTC)[reply]

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Morelia's Climate and Economy

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In the section of Morelia's Municipality and Economy, I am going to expand on the main sectors responsible for Morelia's economy. In addition, I am going to how expand how increases in crime in Mexico impacts several sectors in Morelia's economic growth.

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The climate section is inaccurate since the website is coming from a location in Colombia, not the city in Mexico which is way the precipitation inaccurate. Also, the WMO link is not the best one (it points to the home page) and there is climate data from the Mexican National Weather Service. Ssbbplayer (talk) 01:52, 15 November 2016 (UTC)[reply]

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