Talk:Matches of the Republic of Ireland national football team

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Matches in 1924

Ireland's 500th game was against Germany as the link in the article that was vandalised proves. Therefore the first ever senior international was in 1926 in Turin:

http://www.fai.ie/international/senior-men/irelands-results-1926-1981.html

http://www.fai.ie/international/senior-men/103609-germany-v-republic-of-ireland.html — Preceding unsigned comment added by 178.167.254.130 (talk) 19:11, 3 November 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Five of these games are not on the FIFA list of games for Ireland, for example FIFA has not recorded the game against Estonia in 1924 or the game against Belgium in 1929 on their website. Also some game for Poland, Hungary and US missing on the FIFA site, I havent checked the dates for those games but can do. DavidDublin (talk) 25 November 2013

I have reverted to the sourced version, I noticed the national team article too carries the Olympic games, yet the FAI dont recognise these as internationals, so my question; is there a source for these? Or is it WP:OR? There was an editor on here who wrote a book about this. Neither FIFA nor the FAI class these as internationals. So before adding the unsourced back in, er source it. And BTW as this page is now protected- the IP cant edit it, I will bring it to the edit war notice board-thingy, No one has offered any reply on here since 25 Nov- yet they feel the need to re-add this, well, unsourced info. Murry1975 (talk) 02:03, 3 December 2013 (UTC)[reply]

The Olympic matches recently contested in the edit skirmishes are attested at FIFA and at RSSSF, a respected, reliable source. There is an IP editor who is under the impression that just because he cannot find them at FIFA that they never happened.

The disputed edits involving the repeated removal seven times since October of the first four matches in 1924 (against Bulgaria, Netherlands, Estonia, and United States) were probably performed by the same editor, one of whose IPs has been identified as the suspected sockpuppet of a blocked editor: 178.167.254.41, 178.167.254.184 (suspected sockpuppet), 178.167.254.178, 178.167.254.102, 178.167.254.22, 178.167.254.27, and 178.167.254.145. These IPs are all in the range identified in his sockpuppet investigation before he was banned.

I have added inline citations from FIFA and RSSSF in the Notes column to supplement the existing references that did not convince 178.167.254.nnn. Hopefully that will put him off. — O'Dea (talk) 19:28, 4 December 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Nobody is saying that the matches did not happen. But it is up to the FA of each country to award caps to international games. Therefore the FAI links are the only true sources. Hopefully the people being "put off" will be the vandals who consistently put in wrong sources. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 178.167.254.193 (talk) 23:19, 4 December 2013 (UTC)[reply]

This is not a list of caps; it is a list of matches played, and these matches were played, as documented by multiple reliable sources. The FAI does not have a monopoly on history, and FIFA, for example, has information that the FAI chooses not to list. The matches are listed because they were played. History is history. It happened. Please stop calling me a "vandal": I documented historical events using multiple reliable sources, not "wrong" sources. E-mail FIFA if you wish to "correct" them. — O'Dea (talk) 09:41, 5 December 2013 (UTC)[reply]

O'Dea, I will root out one of my books at the weekend if I get the chance- as far as I am aware the OCI managed the teams in Paris.

@The IP, please keep it civil and polite. Murry1975 (talk) 00:44, 6 December 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks, Murry1975. I verified all those entries when I first created them, and the ones the IP was deleting now have inline citations. The Notes column has documented since the article was created that the OCI managed the teams at the Olympics. — O'Dea (talk) 17:01, 6 December 2013 (UTC)[reply]

You are completely missing the point. When an FA awards caps it is for internationals that they recognise. Again nobody is saying those matches were not played. The matches you incorrectly add in are unofficial games as designated by the FAI: http://www.fai.ie/international/senior-men/irelands-results-1926-1981.html

So yet again the first game was in Turin. What FIFA say are immaterial.

So to sum up the only correct links are here yet are ignored. It does not matter who is saying them. Also the civil and polite thing to do would be to correct the mistakes that are being made. Just because the majority here are saying so dont make it so. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 178.167.254.69 (talk) 21:20, 6 December 2013 (UTC)[reply]

No, my friend, you are missing the point. This is not about "caps", this is about "matches played". That is not the same. The Banner talk 22:43, 6 December 2013 (UTC)[reply]

You are incorrect. Let me give you an example. The FAI deemed the West Germany game in 1981 as a full international despite the opposition playing a B team. The Germans do not recognise this as a full international, as is their right. So yet again it is down to the individual FA to decide what games are full internationals. As a further example explain why the FAI have the recent German game down as the 500th: http://www.fai.ie/international/senior-men/103609-germany-v-republic-of-ireland.html

It is really quite simple given that there are verifiable links from the FAI here. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 178.167.254.109 (talk) 11:37, 8 December 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Goody, you are really a bad reader. This article is named "Matches of the Republic of Ireland national football team" making it an article about all matches played by an Irish national team. So every game played by a team is listed here. You would have been right if the name was List of FAI-recognized matches of the Republic of Ireland national football team but that is not the case. Such a limited list would indeed be shorter than the present one that lists all matches. The Banner talk 13:06, 8 December 2013 (UTC)[reply]

The Banner's interpretation is correct. I created the article and have supplied most of its edits since then. Because I created it, I know exactly what I made. It is a list of all matches played. It is an indisputable fact of history that the matches listed were played. Who categorises them in what way is of no importance. They happened, so they are recorded in this record of matches played. Simple. For some reason, the IP editor refuses to understand this. I will not explain it again. — O'Dea (talk) 22:48, 8 December 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Thank you for the patronising tones. Yet AGAIN nobody is disputing the matches were played. The categorisation is indeed very important as this one is incorrect as you are categorising unofficial games. I notice still no explanation for this: http://www.fai.ie/international/senior-men/103609-germany-v-republic-of-ireland.html — Preceding unsigned comment added by 80.111.139.16 (talk) 18:36, 9 December 2013 (UTC)[reply]

The explanation is simple: It has no relevance at all for this article. This article is not about FAI-matches, it is about all matches played by official Irish football teams, governed by the FAI, FIFA, IOC and relevant others. The Banner talk 21:12, 9 December 2013 (UTC)[reply]

There is an absolute oddity- by the FAI, the IFSFA managed the team for two games (I may have missed one) that they dont count. Not the IOC but actually them- and I cant understand that. More reading needed. Murry1975 (talk) 21:16, 9 December 2013 (UTC)[reply]

The 500th official match against Germany on 11 October 2013 is identified as such by a comment in the list. — O'Dea (talk) 03:07, 10 December 2013 (UTC)[reply]

If the IP editor is "not disputing the matches were played" then why is he deleting matches? — O'Dea (talk) 03:08, 10 December 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Calm down banner.

I presume O'Dea here is joking. How many times does it have to be explained to you? Read above reasons. Good grief. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 80.111.139.16 (talk) 00:25, 11 December 2013 (UTC)[reply]

No, my friend, it is you who is edit warring and ignoring the discussion here. Stop with that. The Banner talk 22:41, 3 February 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Note: For the record, when I created this list in 2011, my edit summary made plain what I had made: "Created sortable dataset of Irish footaball results from 1924." The dataset contains all results from the team's beginning – all matches played, official or not – and the sortability provides useful functionality such as: easily viewing, together as a group, matches against a particular opponent, matches played in a particular stadium, matched played in a particular tournament, and so on. When created, the list was intended to be useful for historical analysis and statistical mining, hence the completeness of results included and the sortability. — O'Dea (talk) 12:05, 10 February 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Ireland v Liverpool friendly early in Charlton years

I have a childhood memory of being taken to see Ireland play Liverpool in a friendly in Flower Lodge in Cork. The match is not listed here. Anyone have any details?? Jack Charlton was there. Must have been early in his time. There were load of goals, maybe 2-1 or 2-2.

Anyone else remember this? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 109.151.120.224 (talk) 00:32, 30 March 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Unofficial

What does "unofficial" mean? According to who? The FAI? FIFA? RSSSF? IFFHS? The opposing team? Wikipedia? jnestorius^(talk) 23:13, 8 October 2015 (UTC)[reply]

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