Talk:Martin Miller (actor)

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Date	Process	Result
March 20, 2011	Articles for deletion	Kept
April 9, 2014	Good article nominee	Not listed
May 9, 2014	Good article nominee	Listed
A fact from this article appeared on Wikipedia's Main Page in the "Did you know?" column on April 6, 2011. The text of the entry was: Did you know ... that Czech actor Martin Miller* portrayed Kublai Khan in* Doctor Who?
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Nationality

I am not sure whether MM should be described as a Czech actor. I cannot find any evidence that he viewed himself as Czech. Although he was born in an area that became part of Czechoslovakia in 1918, it was still part of the Austro-Hungarian empire when he was born and at least from the 1920s his main base was Vienna. Although he performed in theatres in Czechoslovakia in the 1920s and 1930s, they were mainly German language productions, and he himself was a German speaker, although I do not know whether he also spoke Czech. In a number of academic publications he is described as an Austrian actor ^[1] ^[2]. --DrClareG (talk) 16:40, 6 December 2012 (UTC)[reply]

^ (Hrsg.), Jörg Thunecke (2006). Echo des Exils : das Werk emigrierter österreichischer Schriftsteller nach 1945. Wuppertal: Arco-Verl. ISBN 3938375051.
^ Exilforschung: ein internationales Jahrbuch, Vol. 21, 2003: Film und Fotographie.

Requested move

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The result of the move request was: moved to Martin Miller (actor, born 1899). The original proposal has consensus support. Xoloz (talk) 15:45, 21 March 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Martin Miller (Czech actor) → Martin Miller (actor, born 1899) – Unsuitable current disambiguation. There is no evidence he self-identified as Czech and indeed there was no "Czech nationality" until after the subject's death. Born in the Austro-Hungarian Empire and described by at least two academic publications as an "Austrian actor": (Hrsg.), Jörg Thunecke (2006). Echo des Exils : das Werk emigrierter österreichischer Schriftsteller nach 1945. Wuppertal: Arco-Verl. ISBN 3938375051. Exilforschung: ein internationales Jahrbuch, Vol. 21, 2003: Film und Fotographie., this article could be moved to Martin Miller (Austrian actor). However I feel the best way to handle this is disambiguation by birth year, so this could be Martin Miller (actor, born 1899), with "other" Martin Miller (Martin Miller (English actor)) going to (Martin Miller (actor, born 1975). This would make a non-issue out of the former's nationality. C 679 21:45, 10 March 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Support. Meant to do something about this a year ago, per the note above, but forgot entirely! I agree that avoiding Austrian/Czech/etc in the title is the most elegant approach given the complications here. Andrew Gray (talk) 23:22, 10 March 2014 (UTC)[reply]
Use Martin Miller (Moravian actor), being born in Moravia, seems to work. -- 70.50.151.11 (talk) 06:19, 11 March 2014 (UTC)[reply]
- Though the by birthyear titles ought to exist as redirects. -- 70.50.151.11 (talk) 23:04, 11 March 2014 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose disambiguation by date of birth - although "Austrian émigré actor Martin Miller" is more common, per Adrian Room Naming Names: Stories of Pseudonyms and Name Changes - 1981 "Martin Miller: Rudolph Muller (1899- 1969) Czech film actor, ..." is found; no objection to Martin Miller (Moravian actor). In ictu oculi (talk) 19:05, 11 March 2014 (UTC)[reply]

is Martin Miller (English actor) notable? In ictu oculi (talk) 19:08, 11 March 2014 (UTC) [reply]

Why are we whispering? A nice neat solution would be to delete the Martin Miller (English actor) article and then move this one to Martin Miller (actor). — AjaxSmack 01:43, 12 March 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Support a move in principle and the proposal as the least worst option but absolutely oppose a move to Martin Miller (Moravian actor). That is even less helpful than the current title. I would fathom that 90+% of those seeking the article would have no idea he was born in Moravia (or, for many, that there is even a real place called Moravia). He was not notable for any activities in Moravia, Bohemia, Czechia, Austria, or any other Central European country. A disambiguator is to help readers find the right article, not to pedantically list his birthplace. At least 1899 vs. 1975 would contain information a TV/film viewer might be able to work with. — AjaxSmack 01:43, 12 March 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Support the original suggestion. Oppose "Martin Miller (Moravian actor)". Bandy boy (talk) 11:16, 21 March 2014 (UTC)[reply]

The above discussion is preserved as an archive of a requested move. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on this talk page or in a move review. No further edits should be made to this section.

He's the father of Daniel Miller (Mute Records) http://en.wiki.x.io/wiki/Daniel_Miller_(music_producer)#Introduction — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2A02:8109:B40:2258:35C0:5B0D:998E:6A60 (talk) 00:07, 3 July 2018 (UTC)[reply]

[1] (Hrsg.), Jörg Thunecke (2006). Echo des Exils : das Werk emigrierter österreichischer Schriftsteller nach 1945. Wuppertal: Arco-Verl. ISBN 3938375051.

[2] Exilforschung: ein internationales Jahrbuch, Vol. 21, 2003: Film und Fotographie.

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