Talk:Marriage in the United Arab Emirates

Marriage in the United Arab Emirates is currently a Culture, sociology and psychology good article nominee. Nominated by jolielover♥talk at 14:25, 13 January 2025 (UTC)

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A fact from Marriage in the United Arab Emirates appeared on Wikipedia's Main Page in the Did you know column on 14 February 2025 (check views). The text of the entry was as follows:

Did you know... that a government had to intervene after 80 percent of all personal loans taken out were to cover wedding expenses?

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The result was: promoted by SL93 talk 21:49, 8 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]

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... that a government enacted a fine of $140,000 for citizens spending too much money on weddings in the country?

Source: http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/middle_east/228998.stm

ALT1: ... that a government had to intervene after 80% of all personal loans taken out were to cover wedding expenses? Source: http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/programmes/crossing_continents/566491.stm
Reviewed: Template:Did you know nominations/Ceechynaa
Comment: The QPQ I reviewed was a double nom. Could also say "Emirati government" if more clarity is needed.

Created by Jolielover (talk). Number of QPQs required: 1. Nominator has 6 past nominations.

jolielover♥talk 13:48, 11 January 2025 (UTC).[reply]

I'll have a look at this one. Gog the Mild (talk) 11:09, 12 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Created by nominator yesterday, long enough, well sourced, fully referenced, accessible sources, passes EarWig, well written. (I hope this is heading to GAN.)
QPQ looks good.

Both hooks are sourced to the BBC, are interesting, hooky, and short.
Strictly the article refers to loans taken out by men. I think not specifying that in the hook is probably allowable at DYK, but let's see if we can work it in.

I much prefer ALT1, but could I suggest a slight tightening up and the inclusion of "men", to give:

ALT2 ...that a government intervened after 80% of personal loans taken out by men were to cover wedding expenses?; or

ALT3 ... that a government intervened after 80% of men's personal loans went to cover wedding expenses?

@Gog the Mild: Hi there! Thanks for the review, much appreciated; though I personally prefer ALT0, I do not mind the second hook; I think ALT3 is works nicely as being short and concise. The only slight issue though, "wedding expenses" being the boldened text implies an article about wedding costs, hence why I made it the alternate hook. I wasn't sure on how to frame it differently. If you don't think that is an issue, then I'm fine with it being the hook. Thanks! jolielover♥talk 14:57, 12 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]

I think we are allowed to be a little cheeky to create a catchy hook. The hook information is in the article and directly relevant to it. Let's see if we get any objection, if not, ALT3 it is. Gog the Mild (talk) 15:12, 12 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Law / guardians

I'm really struggling with the sentence Under the UAE'S Personal Status Law, a woman's right to marry is granted if she consents; if her guardian is deemed to unjustly oppose the union, the court may transfer guardianship. It seems to be suggesting that a guardian's aproval is involved in most cases - and that a guardian can 'justly' oppose the union. Is this the case? The source isn't any clearer. -- D'n'B-📞 -- 22:34, 12 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Prior to 2025, a woman needed her guardian's consent to get married [1]. The updated Personal Status Law now makes it so that if a guardian objects to a marriage, the court will determine if the opposition is "justified", and make their decision depending on that. It's up to the court's discretion, no info on what they consider unjust as of yet. jolielover♥talk 04:19, 13 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]

The way you phrased it right there was pretty clear, I'd suggest it says that in the article. -- D'n'B-📞 -- 19:03, 13 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]