Talk:Maitland Ward

Hardcore Porn? When did she become a porn star?

As a few people have mentioned in edits, this actress is now selling hardcore porn through her Patreon account and performs with other well known porn actors. It is evident on popular porn websites for sourcing. They are not normal "sex tapes." These are professionally produced porn scenes that are being used as perks for buying into her premium membership content accounts. — Preceding unsigned comment added by SunsetStripRebel (talk • contribs) 07:03, 26 December 2018 (UTC)

She is full porn star now. https://twitter.com/maitlandward/status/1123366408815964161?s=12 JayDub (talk) 00:22, 2 May 2019 (UTC)

Why are facts that Maitland Ward now does straight up hardcore porn being deleted?

Why? Its a fact. Isn't Wikipedia all about facts? Why the censoring? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 176.61.111.240 (talk) 20:02, 4 January 2019 (UTC)

We need a reliable source. See WP:RS and WP:CITE. There's no censorship, we just require a reliable source. --Yamla (talk) 20:04, 4 January 2019 (UTC)

https://nudogram.com/models/maitland-ward/ just a warning, its NSFW — Preceding unsigned comment added by 176.61.111.240 (talk) 20:11, 4 January 2019 (UTC) also two subreddits dedicated to her porn https://www.reddit.com/r/MaitlandWard2/ and https://www.reddit.com/r/MaitlandWardBaxter/ — Preceding unsigned comment added by 176.61.111.240 (talk) 20:18, 4 January 2019 (UTC)

Reddit most definitely fails to meet WP:RS. The other site might, though. It's not a high quality source, but it might meet WP:RS. --Yamla (talk) 20:28, 4 January 2019 (UTC)

I agree with Yamla. Something like nudogram might meet the reliable source guidelines. There are a few companies that probably would meet the guidelines also. Pornhub/MindGeek. The company/companies even has a wikipedia article which is rated C-Class in quality.SunsetStripRebel (talk) 20:15, 22 January 2019 (UTC)

I mean, that is literally the stuff she is selling trough her patreon, and there is absolutely no possibility of that not being her, and if everyones eyes are not a good enough source i dont know what would be. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 176.61.111.240 (talk) 20:34, 4 January 2019 (UTC)

and also, if a big black penis going in to her vagina on distributed video is not hardcore porn, i dont know what is.

sup. this qualify as a reliable source? 76.5.110.213 (talk) —Preceding undated comment added 21:50, 4 January 2019 (UTC)

Please reread WP:RS. Primary sources are not generally appropriate. It should be easy to find a reliable secondary source that covers this. --Yamla (talk) 22:34, 4 January 2019 (UTC)

Here is a source. You can stop deleting https://twitter.com/maitlandward/status/1123366408815964161?s=12

JayDub (talk) 00:23, 2 May 2019 (UTC)

Yo, Yamla http://en.wiki.x.io/wiki/Wikipedia:Citation_needed have fun being reviewed for deleted facts. Nick12506 (talk) 22:44, 16 July 2019 (UTC)

What are considered reliable sources for Porn?

While I do agree that there must be highly reliable sources before labeling someone a porn star and the stigma that could be caused by being labeled one, my opinion on the matter is when videos appear on the most popular big name porn websites and the former actress is freely asking for people to join her Patreon and Snapchat accounts for these porn scenes on her verified Twitter account for what is substantial money, the line from actress to porn actress has been crossed. It seems like this actress wants to have it both ways; sell porn for money to her content members but try to avoid the negativity that comes with being labeled a porn star by referring to them as "sex tapes." SunsetStripRebel (talk) 01:15, 7 January 2019 (UTC)

Yes. It's tough. WP:BLP applies, so we need to be very careful. No original research (which is prohibited by WP:NOR anyway) and we'll have to stay away from primary sources. --Yamla (talk) 01:25, 7 January 2019 (UTC)

Agreed. For now it seems like she has worked the loopholes perfectly. She isn't claiming she is a "porn star" but performs with other "real" porn stars in the adult film business and gives the content to her paying members. SunsetStripRebel (talk) 18:58, 7 January 2019 (UTC)

Maitland Ward set to do a porn show on myfreecams on 25th of February

Can we call her a porn actress or at least a camwhore after that? Or is that plus hardcore porn with various porn actors fucking her still not enough? source https://twitter.com/CallMeMissMolly/status/1095742105056468992

WP:CITE, WP:RS, WP:NOR. --Yamla (talk) 23:00, 13 February 2019 (UTC)

is her verified twitter good enough source? https://twitter.com/MaitlandWard/status/1095727891881484288 — Preceding unsigned comment added by 176.61.111.240 (talk) 23:02, 13 February 2019 (UTC)

What does WP:RS say? It's pretty clear on this. --Yamla (talk) 00:12, 14 February 2019 (UTC)

so, just want to make this clear, basically as long as no news publications report on these facts, and they most likely never will because she is a nobody, (don't know why there exists a Wikipedia page for her, especially if its gonna be incomplete but whatever) proven by her own accounts and actual video evidence, she is in the clear and the fact that those videos are being distributed for profit and that she will be performing porn on a cam-whore site cannot be published on her Wikipedia page regardless of undeniable and undisputed facts? for me its not even about her, don't really give a shit about her, just this situation bothers me, when undeniable fact that would be acceptable in any court of law are not enough here. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 176.61.111.240 (talk • contribs)

I'm not sure if you are just trolling at this point. How many times do we have to point you to WP:BLP, WP:CITE, WP:RS, and WP:NOR? --Yamla (talk) 11:32, 14 February 2019 (UTC)

because i went trough those and there seems to be a decent amount of conflicting things in there and open to interpretation of moderators what they will and will not allow. And in the case of lack of any other acceptable sources, which apparently plethora of porn sites are not for some reason would this not apply: Avoid self-published sources unless written or published by the subject of the article. http://en.wiki.x.io/wiki/Wikipedia:Biographies_of_living_persons#Self-published_sources — Preceding unsigned comment added by 176.61.111.240 (talk) 12:38, 14 February 2019 (UTC)

We will abide by WP:NOR, WP:RS, WP:CITE, and WP:BLP. Once we find a reliable source indicating that she's a porn star, we'll add it. Until then, we won't. We won't speculate that she's a cam-whore, we won't speculate that she's a porn star. That would be wildly inappropriate under WP:BLP and WP:NOR. She may be, but we won't speculate on this until we have a reliable source indicating this. If there are no acceptable sources, we won't add this to the article. --Yamla (talk) 13:11, 14 February 2019 (UTC)

She is definitely a porn star now but is just playing the loopholes on stating she is one. At this point, it's undeniable that she promotes previews of porn scenes with other industry porn stars she will be releasing to her fans for money on Patreon and other sources of income she uses. She is basically her own employer for her porn. The thing about her now is, I see her listed on kids television websites databases of actors like Disney. Disney would wipe her profile off their sites now if they found any video evidence she was doing porn. To me, any multi-million dollar porn corporation like MindGeek which owns many of the websites—PornHub—her porn scenes have appeared should be a reliable source. She definitely hasn't sent out takedown notices to these popular pornsites if she didn't want people to know she was doing porn. Not sure why she would when they are big advertising venues for her to sell more premium memberships to Patreon. But that's just my opinion. There has to be a consensus. SunsetStripRebel (talk) 03:23, 15 February 2019 (UTC)

You are correct, but WP:BLP and WP:NOR prohibits us from making the claim on the article. Given all the porn, though, it's only a matter of time before a reliable source provides us a citation we can actually use. --Yamla (talk) 11:09, 15 February 2019 (UTC)

If multi-million dollar porn corporations hosting your content is not a reliable source, then I have no idea what is. There is no denying the influence those websites have. I do get that she hasn't said she is doing porn publically in a grand way so Wikipedia's hands are tied with current rules. Personally, I don't think she will never say "Yes, I am now a porn star." It's like a serial killer denying they killed anyone while sitting on the electric chair. I will say this about Twitter though. World leaders use Twitter to push and promote world policy. Wikipedia needs to re-evaluate that Twitter has become a valid source—if the facts are reliable of course.SunsetStripRebel (talk) 16:37, 15 February 2019 (UTC)

If a multi-million dollar porn corporation has an article that states she's a porn star, that would probably be acceptable (primary sourcing could be a problem). On the other hand, we can't apply original research and conclude she is a porn star based on her appearing in a video, we need to source that claim. Look, it's one thing to know, but it's another thing to source the information. Wikipedia cares about verifiability, not truth. Yes, this is one of those cases where the policy is overly restrictive, but we still need to be careful. Even moreso because of WP:BLP. You are free to request policy changes for WP:RS around twitter, though here isn't the place to do that. --Yamla (talk) 16:46, 15 February 2019 (UTC)

"Wikipedia cares about verifiability, not truth." That's got to be one of the most ironic statements I have ever seen on Wikipedia. Sorry to say that. That makes this whole platform seem a big joke if a lie can be sourced to an article whether the article is true or not. But, I still agree with you on the sourcing dilemma. This is one of those cases where the actor knows how to cover their tracks perfectly. SunsetStripRebel (talk) 16:30, 26 February 2019 (UTC)

Perhaps, but it's absolutely core to Wikipedia. See WP:NOTTRUTH and WP:V. I'm not at all convinced she's doing this deliberately with regard to Wikipedia, but I generally agree with you. This is a really weird case. --Yamla (talk) 16:35, 26 February 2019 (UTC)

Can we at least add that she has performed in a hardcore video scene?

IMO this discission should not be focussed on what label is applied ("porn star" or whatever) but whether there is a reliable source for her having done hardcore porn.

I know that we need to be especially careful with potentially contentious edits and that non-primary sources are preferred but I would have thought that a post stating this on her confirmed Twitter profile which was also retweeted by her co-star Danny Mountain would be sufficient? [NSFW] https://twitter.com/MaitlandWard/status/1095834193618120704

There is also relevant information on her patreon profile and copies of the video are literally all over the major tubesites (so a friend tells me :-) . 121.44.184.234 (talk) 10:31, 17 February 2019 (UTC)

I'm tired of this discussion. How many times do I have to point to the same Wikipedia policies? If you can find a reliable source which meets WP:RS and indicates she's done hardcore porn, yes. Otherwise, no, because of WP:BLP. That twitter link is absolutely not sufficient. It does not indicate she's done anything more than a "Celebration vid" and in any case, would be an inappropriate primary source. --Yamla (talk) 10:48, 17 February 2019 (UTC)

Why do you need an article saying she does porn? I can link you her porn if you want, its very widely available. Whether an article states it or not, based on the porn she has done, I'd say she has done porn-2607:FCC8:644B:7500:7CD0:39C7:9D56:EF91 (talk) 00:25, 21 February 2019 (UTC)

It's clear people are just trolling now. --Yamla (talk) 01:14, 21 February 2019 (UTC)

Yamla, you are degrading the quality of wikipedia by ignoring the use of "citation needed" Nick12506 (talk) 22:48, 16 July 2019 (UTC)

She has now signed with Society15.com's roster of female porn talent

I am sure it is now safe to update her Wikipedia article with her "new talents." talent SunsetStripRebel (talk) 01:56, 2 May 2019 (UTC)

That seems sufficient to establish Ward as a porn actress. Nice find. --Yamla (talk) 09:42, 2 May 2019 (UTC)

She has also starred in a bonafide porn movie called "DRIVE" (2019) Isn't that enough to establish her credentials in this particular genre? — Preceding unsigned comment added by Driven01 (talk • contribs) 00:13, 7 October 2019 (UTC)

Huh? Her porn credentials are firmly established in the article, right in the intro sentence. --Yamla (talk) 00:35, 7 October 2019 (UTC)

My apologies. When I first read the article that wasn't there. unsigned comment added by Driven01 (talk • contribs) —Preceding undated comment added 01:44, 7 October 2019 (UTC)

I was told that Maitland Ward was now divorced. Is that true?

Any new updates appreciated 2600:8805:C60C:1900:F5B5:EDC5:66E6:19BC (talk) 20:38, 28 December 2022 (UTC)

What a shock that her husband would divorce her after she lets multiple black guys run a train on her before the whole world. 188.163.239.77 (talk) 18:17, 11 February 2024 (UTC)