Talk:Longshot (Marvel Comics)

NPOV

Does anyone think this is NPOV? Longshot later joined the X-Men cast in the late 1980s. This situation came about due to Marvel's insistence on shoehorning any moderately succesful new ideas that they published into the established "Marvel Universe" (see Spider-Man hanging out with the Transformers). With neither Nocenti or Adams involved, the character joins the X-Men even though he is not a mutant. --DrBat 01:17, 30 September 2005 (UTC)

Never mind NPOV, there's at least two errors there. (1) Yeah, Spider-Man appeared in Transformers #3, but they quickly backed the big robots out the MU when the mini became an ongoing, and (2) Art Adams drew the story that placed Longshot in the X-Men, and (although I don't have it to hand to check), I'm fairly sure Nocenti edited it - SoM 10:34, 30 September 2005 (UTC)

She did [1] - SoM 10:39, 30 September 2005 (UTC)

Also, (3)the original Longshot mini-series had already established the character as part of the mainstream Marvel Universe, so the claimed motive for putting him in X-Men is completely invalid.--NukeofEarl (talk) 20:31, 20 March 2013 (UTC)

Multiverse and counterparts

I am changing the article to offer what IMNSHO is a better explanation to reconcile Mojo's allegations with the Ultimate Universe Longshot. I am not sure whether Ultimate being canon or not counts unless and until there is actually some sort of contact between the two continuities, which to the best of my knowledge never happened. Luis Dantas 15:37, 1 January 2006 (UTC)

If I recall, in one of the Exiles issues, where they were in the Timebreakers' dome, the Ultimate X-Men were seen on one of the various viewing screens (If I recall, it was seen in Hyperion's flashback when he told them how he was resurrected).--DrBat 04:26, 18 January 2006 (UTC)

Joe Quesada and other Marvel officials have stated that the Ultimate Universe is its own reality/multiverse and has no ties to the regular Marvel Universe.

Everything is tied together in a single Omniverse. Marvel, Ultimate Marvel, DC, various animated universes, and supposedly even our own universe. Don't look at me like I'm crazy, that was established in a Fantastic Four comic years ago. Besides since Ultimate Longshot is just an Earth mutant he doesn't really conflict with the "One Mojoverse" concept.--Stranger Dan 23:59, 11 April 2006 (UTC)

I believe Mojo was simply lying, because as we know now due to the recent Marvel handbooks, the Ultimate universe is in the Marvel multiverse (and in turn, the omniverse), thusly there are counterparts to Mojoverse residents such as Longshot. The Ultimate universe is designated as universe #1610 in the Marvel multiverse. And if that wasn't enough proof for you, at least 5 physical links have been established:

• 1) In issue #37 of X-Men Unlimited volume 1, a barrage of X-Men characters from various dimensions come into the 616 universe temporarily. Among them are various X-Men wearing their Ultimate costumes/uniforms.

• 2) The Ultimate X-Men appear on a monitor in the Crystal Palace base of the Exiles. Said monitors are used for monitoring activities in dimensions in the Marvel multiverse.

• 3) In a recent issue of She-Hulk volume 2, She-Hulk mentions that the 616 universe was nearly replaced by an "Ultimate Universe" that certain higher powers had discovered.

• 4) Probably the most important link established so far; the Ultimate Fantastic Four cross over into the Marvel Zombies universe, populated by zombie versions of classic Marvel characters. Later a zombie version of Wolverine joins an all-Wolverine based team of Exiles. And finally, the most important bit of information; the mainstream 616 Marvel universe team of Black Panther, Storm, the Human Torch, and the Thing (AKA the new post-Civil War Fantastic Four) cross over into the Marvel Zombies universe. Thus solidifying a connection between the Ultimate and mainstream Marvel universes.

• 5) Also, in the Ultimate Marvel Universe (Earth-1610) / Supreme Power Universe (Earth-31916) crossover Ultimate Power, the Earth-712 Squadron Supreme crossover into Supreme Power Universe, in which characters from the Ultimate Universe have crossed into prior to said event.

So there you have it, the Ultimate universe is without a doubt a part of the Marvel multiverse, and as such, alternate versions of Longshot, Mojo, etc, do indeed exist. --156.34.76.10 06:39, 18 September 2007 (UTC)

"Supernatural Attractiveness"

Is it actually stated anywhere in the comics or other official materials that Longshot has special attraction powers? It seems far more likely that women are attracted to him because he's handsome and has a fun personality. Kouban 15:42, 18 August 2006 (UTC)

Bandolier

Do we really need the discussion of how various artists have shown his bandolier or the exact number of pouches? Seems a little too nit-picky to me. If there are no objections I'll remove it. Noclevername 09:21, 22 April 2007 (UTC)

I second, and will remove it. Kouban 21:13, 19 June 2007 (UTC)

Exiles

I recommend the Exiles section be rewritten by someone who is an expert with the subject. Lots42 01:15, 27 August 2007 (UTC)

I removed this portion:

"During the visit to the Squadron Supreme universe, he is easily defeated, has no role in saving the day or helping, and only speaks once."

It does not fit nor contribute in any way to the Exiles section. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 67.176.150.248 (talk) 17:00, 15 August 2008 (UTC)

Fair use rationale for Image:Longshot2.JPG

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BetacommandBot (talk) 14:42, 2 January 2008 (UTC)

Longshot

If the X-Factor Longshot appereances were -all- Skrull, then it should not be mentioned in this article. Lots42 (talk) 09:48, 12 August 2008 (UTC)

IN the beginning section of the article it states he has a relatively well defined archenemy, but in the article it never tstates who the archenemy is —Preceding unsigned comment added by 98.217.25.218 (talk) 02:02, 29 April 2009 (UTC)

At least one work?

I'm removing the following statement: "Ann Nocenti, an editor at Marvel Comics in 1985, wrote Longshot at a time when, according to Arthur Adams, Marvel expected its editors to have written at least one work." The main problem is not that the sentence has no citation, but that its implications make no sense. By the time Longshot debuted, Nocenti already had Beauty and the Beast, a stint on Spider-Woman, and a half-dozen fill-ins and anthology tales to her credit. So this supposed policy of Marvel's would have had no bearing on her. Anybody know anything more about this, please post here.--NukeofEarl (talk) 20:37, 20 March 2013 (UTC)

Origin

In New Mutants Special #1 (1985), published on January 1, 1985, on page 23 Warlock has thought bubbles that say:

"Even with integral systems functioning at peak efficiency, locating self's friends will be a real *Longshot*. In that case, self better look the part. Query, is this humor?"

He also shapeshifts to look like Longshot.

This is 8 months before Longshot #1, which came out in September 1985. Is this the first reference to Longshot? If so, was it meant as a reference nobody would understand? It's couldn't qualify as Longshot's first appearance because it's Warlock shapeshifting to Longshot, but it might be worth mentioning it if the first reference to Longshot appears 8 months before his first appearance. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 77.58.228.51 (talk) 08:15, 18 November 2016 (UTC)

Where did you get the "January 1, 1985" publication date for New Mutants Special Edition? I'll give you 50 to 1 odds that the "January 1" part is a placeholder. Three reasons: (1)The comic itself only provides the year, 1985. (2)Database-style websites commonly use "January 1" as a placeholder when only the year is known, to make it look like their information is more comprehensive than it actually is. (3)Adams has stated many times that the Longshot limited series was his first professional assignment.--NukeofEarl (talk) 20:09, 30 September 2017 (UTC)

The special was part 3 of the The Asgardian Wars. Part 1 was released December 1985. Argento Surfer (talk) 12:22, 2 October 2017 (UTC)

Hmm, now that is odd. Both the Special Edition and Uncanny X-Men Annual #9 are clearly cover-dated 1985, which is consistent with the dating of the other X-Men annuals. And it's established elsewhere (though I can't remember where) that the X-Men/Alpha Flight limited series was actually created during Paul Smith's run on X-Men, back in 1983, and was delayed due to production issues or something. So... did Marvel actually wind up publishing the story where Loki tries to get revenge on the X-Men before the story where he meets the X-Men for the first time? If so, that's pretty crazy. I'm going to see if I can dig up the "Bullpen Bulletins" which announced the X-Men/Alpha Flight limited series... maybe those issues got cover-dated wrong...--NukeofEarl (talk) 16:46, 2 October 2017 (UTC)

Found the answers. The December 1985 Marvel Checklist has the New Mutants Special Edition, X-Men/Alpha Flight #1, and Longshot #4. The January 1986 checklist has both X-Men Annual #9 and X-Men Alpha Flight #2. So in sum: Yes, Marvel published a story in which Loki pursues revenge against the X-Men before publishing any prior encounter between the two. No, New Mutants Special Edition is not Longshot's first appearance.--NukeofEarl (talk) 17:03, 2 October 2017 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 16 June 2019

I'm not sure if these trolls are serious but this page is about Longshot and of the numerous nonsensical replies I have received "Luck is not a power." takes the cake as Luck is primarily all most comic readers who don't care much about him thinks he does. Boz seems to agree so I must believe Boz has never read an X-men, X-factor, X-anything in his or life. Therefore I wonder why they have the power continuously lock the article that is poorly written, mostly about an unauthorized convention interview with Ann Nocenti, and labels him a psychic who only has psychometry as a power. Below the bullet list itself is another powers/abilities list which gives him the powers of Wolverine, magic, psychic ability, and over explains what luck is when even a 3rd grader knows what luck is.

I've tried to edit this page a few times as someone who loves Longshot and they won't let me. I don't know if they get text message alerts every time I edit the page but they accused me of warring and they're the ones reversing any edit almost as soon as they're made. Maybe you should update everyone on what a war is because it seems the reversals that come right after someone else's edit is far more "warring" than merely trying to edit a page in the first place.

I've already made a report as this has all been rude and a gross abuse of power. Any further abuses will be reported as well. Anyone who's done any research into Longshot will know this article is way off and almost reinvents the character altogether the 90s comics have evolved him way past anything written on the page.

Finally he's half Arize(one person not all Spineless-Ones) and half human mutant which gives him two mutant abilities since Arize is almost a mutant. Arize gave him two X-genes unlike any other mutant in Marvel History by splicing DNA. So nothing I said about his powers is incorrect. Any Longshot doesn't heal that fast which is why I removed it he's been hurt often, you know he's hurt, and he doesn't bounce right back when he is. He rarely is hurt because he's lucky. He's either saved or saves himself through luck. When he's hurt he's hurt. Stop turning everyone into Wolverine with extra abilities. These articles are grossly irresponsible while trolls maintain that they are doing God's work by fiercely defending incorrect information on the internet. Silly at best, childish no matter what. I know it's just comics but the movies may be based on these articles as writers and directors do not have the time to read thousands of comics or take the word of others as source material.

Citations are required and yet the citations on this article don't actually prove a thing. I tried linking citations from actual comics containing material I had written. If you aren't willing to look up the citations then why are you refusing anyone else the right to edit this page?

In short, grow up! 73.152.121.208 (talk) 18:11, 16 June 2019 (UTC)

 Not done: please establish a consensus for this alteration before using the {{edit semi-protected}} template. - FlightTime (open channel) 18:12, 16 June 2019 (UTC)

Luck

Just thought I'd leave this here in full view since trolls control this article, taken from an edit reversal of Longshot "comic fans" huh? "05:41, 15 June 2019‎ 2601:241:4280:161:e89a:4c0e:c46b:53e3 talk‎ 29,367 bytes +36‎ rvt - luck is not a power"

I'll be sure to have Marvel themselves take it away if you don't stop trolling Marvel Intellectual Property. This doesn't belong to you. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 73.152.121.208 (talk) 18:15, 16 June 2019 (UTC)