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Keep, but greatly expand

While this article is rather useless in its current state, it should be retained and expanded. The wikitionary definition simply states that loitering is standing around with no aim. However, this wikipedia article does point to the fact that it is illegal in some areas. Why? Why was this law brought into place? What are some examples of loitering turning into more serious crime? Such an example, I presume, would be gangs loitering, waiting for a vulnerable person to rob/rape/assault. This is the sort of information that could be added. --Nambio 22:05, 27 April 2006 (UTC)[reply]

I am skeptical as to the accuracy of the statement that some places play a high pitch note audible only to young people. A citation is needed for this. Otherwise it should be removed. User:rws1

I remember reading an article about the high pitch. It's supposed to drive away crowds of teenagers. A Google search netted me a few results: -http://www.engadget.com/2005/11/29/using-buzz-to-deter-youth-attention/ (probably the original article I read, though I think they also posted about this being used) A more specific entry is here: http://www.parentdish.com/2008/02/13/stores-use-sonic-sounds-to-chase-away-children/ --Quirken (talk) 06:55, 27 February 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Origins

So are the origins in 15th Century English common law or 16th Century? Not good for an article to contradict itself in this way.81.23.54.142 (talk) 18:20, 28 February 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Loitering in Russian Federation

The article states "Loitering prohibitions are particularly common in the United States, the United Kingdom and the Russian Federation." However, I didn't find anything about loitering in Russia in the article or outside of the article. Where is the information about Russia coming from? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 173.20.35.57 (talk) 19:33, 27 March 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Would love to see more detail on this article

I came to this page after having a discussion with a friend whether loitering was a crime in the UK and Ireland. As far as I know, it is, whereas in Spain, where we currently are, it appears not to be and walking around city streets, you find youself constantly harassed and hassled by loiterers of all sort. Would love to see more detail on the subject. Thanks. --Brian Fenton (talk) 14:06, 25 May 2009 (UTC)[reply]

"The crime of doing nothing"

That must be the funniest illegal activity yet "illegal for doing nothing". i want to see sources supporting it.--Leladax (talk) 16:32, 7 January 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Loitering was illegal in Greece before the Junta dicators went to jail for doing something. Who edited in that standing somewhere is illegal in Greece? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 89.210.171.214 (talk) 23:03, 23 July 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Loitering in France ?

I don't believe there are any loitering laws applicable in France ?

The wikipedia.fr article on vagabondage says that any such law was removed on 1992
A google search for loitering france points to the 2003 law on interior security ([1]), but this law doesn't seem to talk about loitering itself.Yitscar (talk) 13:49, 16 December 2011 (UTC)[reply]

By the way, the reference to Greece as an anti loitering country was removed by an anonymous contributor without explanations [2]Yitscar (talk) 13:49, 16 December 2011 (UTC)[reply]

 I concur, there is no such crime as loitering in French law. Even before 1992, vagabondage isn't loitering, it specifically repressed the situation where one had no mean of subsistance, no job and no registered address (a homeless shelter was sufficent not to fall under this law). It's far removed from the definition of loitering as explained in the article. The French translator was hard-pressed to find a title for the article and selected "interdiction de flâner" instead of a specific legal term that would exist if loitering was mentionned in the penal code. I think it's an error to mention France as an anti-loitering country and it should probably be removed (or a reference should be provided so I can be educated).

121.117.160.225 (talk) 23:20, 30 December 2017 (UTC)[reply]

Germany

I removed the section for Germany because it was completely inaccurate and needs a major rewrite. There are no laws that would generally forbid loitering in Germany. 2001:A61:3573:9201:B928:6AF8:FD3A:F683 (talk) 20:46, 27 June 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Sit-lie ordinances

These aren't mentioned so far in the section for the US, but are also used to ban loitering and have been (as of 2019) adopted by about 55% of US cities. Patlut (talk) 22:55, 24 October 2021 (UTC)[reply]