Talk:Local government in India

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Merge discussion

Right now there are two articles about local governance in India, one here at Local self-government in India, and one at Panchayati raj (India). They cover somewhat the same material, but this one is much more detailed on history. It seems to me that one article is all that is needed, but if two articles are preferred then one could be about the history of local self-government in India, and the other could be about the structure of the "constitutional" system now in place. I prefer the one article approach, so I have proposed merger. Thoughts? --Bejnar (talk) 19:28, 7 June 2015 (UTC)[reply]

In this particular case I'd prefer two, primarily because the PR system is applicable to rural areas and not urban. However, this particular one probably needs renaming to Local government in India to provide a better context. Then it can also include the differences between the urban and rural structures while we retain the other one for more detail on the rural structure. —SpacemanSpiff 03:56, 1 July 2015 (UTC)[reply]

I prefer merging these two articles as well as Panchayati Raj article too. Create an article on history of it separately if needed. -Nizil (talk) 06:45, 12 November 2016 (UTC)[reply]

I'd rather see one article about current form of governance that includes PR and how it works and it's features here and one about the historical development of PR in the other. --HarshAJ ^{(Talk)(Contribs)} 08:02, 24 November 2016 (UTC)[reply]

After mulling it over, I like the two article approach, so long as it remains clear what the distinction is. One option would be (1) historical development and (2) current administration under the constitutional/statutory framework. If the historical development article could be broadened to include all of south Asia then the existing Panchayati Raj article could be merged into it, but "india" would need to disappear from the title. The problem for putting this (Local_self-government_in_India) existing article as the historical one is all of the India specific history that lead to the development of the 1992 Indian system. If we wanted only two articles and not three, then another way of dividing it might work:

(1) the traditional panchayati raj system in south Asia including the 1 Early history and 2 During British Rule sections of this article, maybe renamed from Panchayati Raj → Panchayati Raj (traditional), or maybe keeping its name and just having a disambiguating hatnote.

(2) a longish article entitled Local government in India with an urban section and a rural section, and place the India specific history of the development of the rural system from this article in that half. Panchayati raj (India) could redirect to the rural half. The historical development of the urban system could be researched and included.

What do you all think? --Bejnar (talk) 17:55, 25 June 2017 (UTC)[reply]

For me a less satifactory division might be three articles:

(1) traditional

(2) urban

(3) rural. ---Bejnar (talk) 17:55, 25 June 2017 (UTC)[reply]

I prefer the two article approach, the urban aspect can be very easily covered within this (there isn't much on it anyway, all the individual aspect are covered in respective articles) while the Panchayati raj article can be retained to reflect the current system in the rural areas. —SpacemanSpiff 03:03, 26 June 2017 (UTC)[reply]

I agree with two article solution. Pachayati Raj should cover all history of local govt in South Asia. Local govt in India should have sections as recommended by Bejnar. In Panchayati Raj article, a last section can have summary of Local govt and that article as Main article tag. Same way, Local govt article can have history section at start with summary of Panchayati Raj with Main article tag. This way we can keep both articles connected for readers interested in either topics.--Nizil (talk) 12:27, 26 June 2017 (UTC)[reply]

Closing and adding see also template to maintain the link. Klbrain (talk) 13:47, 9 November 2017 (UTC)[reply]

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The result of the move request was: moved. Common name oppose arguments cannot outweigh consistency, conciseness and common name propose arguments without strong evidence of common name, of which there is none provided by the opposer in the course of the discussion. DrKay (talk) 12:55, 14 June 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Local self-government in India → Local government in India – 'self' is superfluous. Govt of India officially has done away with the term "Local self-government." Most of the sources also point only to "Local government." It also makes it WP:CONSISTENT with other articles of local government in rest of the world. As Local government in India redirects to the same page, it is not much of an issue. Ab207 (talk) 13:52, 14 May 2020 (UTC) —Relisting. b uidhe 04:10, 22 May 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Oppose as per WP:COMMONNAME. Referring it as Local government in India can create ambiguity among readers. ~Amkgp ✉ 18:25, 14 May 2020 (UTC)[reply]
- Can you be more elaborate on what are the possible ambiguities readers might face? and how does "Local self-government in India" can help avoid those ambiguities?
  -Ab207 (talk) 11:50, 15 May 2020 (UTC)[reply]
Support "self-government" is superfluous to "government". I'm unaware of any ambiguities that simplifying this would introduce. --Mdaniels5757 (talk) 21:32, 2 June 2020 (UTC)[reply]

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Cooperative Societies are Local Government after 97th Amendment Act 2011:

97th Constitutional Amendment Act : Cooperative Societies are taken under " Local Government" after 97th Constitutional Amendment act 2011, Part IV of Indian Constitution is related to Local Government, under which Gram panchayats were defined, then after 74th amendment Act Muncipal Corporation and council were included and defined in Part IX A, and in 2011, Cooperative Societies were included in Local Government under Part -IX B The 97th Constitutional Amendment Act,2011 provided for amendment in following things : 1. It amended article 19(1)c by inserting after the word 'or unions' the words 'or Co-operative Societies'. 2. It also inserted Article 43B in part IV of the Constitution as "The State shall endeavor to promote Voluntary formation, autonomous functioning, democratic control and professional Management of the Co-operative Societies" and 3. After Part IV-A of the Constitution Part IV-B was inserted. Part IV-B extended from Article 243ZH to Article 243ZT. Rinku2274 (talk) 15:52, 11 July 2020 (UTC)[reply]