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Berth Depth

Despite all the marketing Liverpool2 is not a deep-water seaport as the maximum draught is just 14.5 m (I know it because I work in the industry). Reliable sources and not advertising prospects need to be cited in this article to establish the real draught. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Mabuimo (talk • contribs) 11:16, 9 June 2017 (UTC)[reply]

The Berth pocket is 16.5m (there are several independent sources referring to the point). The maximum draft of a vessel is therefore less than 16.5m. The variable you are disputing mentions nothing about maximum draft, but about depth.

If you are in the industry then you will know that "deep water seaport" isn't a specific standard. It's just a phrase used for advertising gumph based around the concept of the Panama Canal / Panamax vessel concept derived from the physical limitation of the Panama Canal locks. Most of these are here at List of Panamax ports. The existing Seaforth container terminal is capable of taking Panamax vessels, it would not qualify as "Deep Water" per this original concept because it couldn't however take a fully laden Panamax vessel (or at least it would be unwise in the relatively shallow Seaforth dock). Liverpool 2 has already serviced such vessels in its berth pocket which is (even by your claim of 14.5) deep enough to take one of these Panamax ships (MSC Koroni, Santhya, Florida and HS Paris among others)

In the last 10 years the concept of "Deep Water" has evolved and it has been used to refer to developments at DP World, Gdansk, the proposed Bristol "Deep Water" Port, Warrenpoint, Liverpool etc and a growing reference has been made to the concept of "post-Panamax" as the new measure of "Deep Water". However, with the lack of an official term / dimension we use what the reliable sources refer to them as. If you can provide a reliable source that provides the definition of a "deep-water seaport" that wikipedia can use, then the reliably sourced 16.5m remains. Koncorde (talk) 16:57, 9 June 2017 (UTC)[reply]

No reliable encyclopedic source has been cited so far in this article to defend that the berth pockets are 16.5m. Sorry but the depth is 14.5 m. Mabuimo (talk) —Preceding undated comment added 10:10, 29 May 2018 (UTC)[reply]

You haven't stated from what reliable encyclopedic source you are citing to defend that the berth pockets are 14.5m.

The article cites the only reliable sources available for the current depth stated.Ship Technology, likely sourced from advertising literature, Andy Lane suggests a maximum draught of 14m, which has nothing to do with the pocket, but is also just his opinion (no idea what weight his opinion carries), Bam referring to the "Deepwater pocket", original World Maritime News article covering the specifics of the tender,TuscorLloyds repeating the same information, Environment statement for the European Investment Bank statement specifying the minimums and maximums of the project specification. There are a few (very few) articles that state that the maximum draught of a given vessel is 14.5m which (again) is a fundamentally very different thing. Koncorde (talk) 10:51, 29 May 2018 (UTC)[reply]