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George Sommers and Amyas Preston
[edit]What about Amyas Preston the unique pirate that sacked Caracas (Venezuela) the best Caribbean kept secret?. His fight with Ledesma cavallier inspirated Don Quixote!!
With the coastal mountains as a barrier, Caracas was relatively immune to pirates attacks– one of the reasons it became the principal city of the region. However, in 1595, around 200 English privateers including George Sommers and Amyas Preston crossed the mountains through a little-used pass while the town's defenders were guarding the more often-used one, and, encountering little resistance (only Ledesma cavallier), sacked and set fire to the town after a failed ransom negotiation.
Antonio Paredes
[edit]The general Antonio Paredes (1969-1907) was forced to leave Trinidad after being confiscated the weapons with which he intended to invade Venezuela to overthrow the dictatorship of Cipriano Castro. He left Trinidad on February 4, 1907 with 13 men aboard a scohoner. The expedionaries landed in Pedernales and occupy several towns. Look for the road to Ciudad Bolivar. The government realizes the invasion of Paredes and goes out in its search. Paredes is captured on February 12; moored with rope is taken before the head of the local government; when he is in front of the official, he shouts: "Kill me, but do not go to humilliate". They did not kill him yet.
President Cipriano Castro gave, by means of a telegram in code, the order for the execution of Paredes. At dawn on February 15 he is taken out of the steamboat cabins where he was taken and one of the executioners says to him: "Get up, we are going to carry another boat." Paredes smiled and said, "It's to kill me, I knew that I was playing life when I set foot in Venezuela. Those were his last words. As he leaves the stateroom, his head is torn to shots. As he promised his father, they would no longer mock him. His body was cast into the waters of the Orinoco.
In 1921 he traveled to Germany where he organized with General Francisco Linares Alcántara Estevez an an expedition to invade Venezuela to overthrow the Gomez dictatorship. In Kiel proceed to hire mercenaries and complete the purchase of two boats, the Odin and the Harrier. The conspiracy is discovered by the gomecista diplomatic agent, José Ignacio Cárdenas and the ships are apprehended in Gibraltar. The expeditionaries must flee to Mexico. In 1924 in New York he tried, again to promote an armed invasion against Gomez with the purchase of the ship Gloucester. In Miami the name is changed to Angelita however the ship suffers a breakdown on the high seas and must land in Havana. In short, all his conspiratorial projects against Gómez failed, Ortega Martínez died in exile in Mexico City. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 201.210.169.195 (talk) 04:59, 1 November 2017 (UTC)
Ryoko and La Rocque the pirates
[edit]What about Ryoko the pirate who chased off the Mongols during the Mongol invasions of Japan and became a heroine? Chris 10:13, 10 June 2007 (UTC) Jean-François de La Rocque de Roberval (c. 1500 – 1560) was a French nobleman and adventurer who, through his friendship with King Francis, became the first Lieutenant General of New France. As a corsair he attacked towns and shipping throughout the Spanish Main, from Cuba to Colombia. He died in Paris as one of the first Huguenot martyrs. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 190.39.29.67 (talk) 00:59, 20 June 2017 (UTC)
An idea regarding this page
[edit]As frequently there seems to be no information on the birth/death dates of pirates - at least, I've found it hard to track down that information - could we perhaps include the years active, and possibly the general area most active.. I appreciate this could cause problems as some pirates moved around quite a bit.
I was also curious as to whether we could reformat the list so it looks more tidy - I'd make an example here but I don't know the codes to do it yet.
Any input would be most appreciated,
shas (talk) 16:10, 12 January 2008 (UTC)
- Okay, I've had a shot at adapting a table for use on this page - the results can be seen over on my sandbox. Opinions/comments welcome shas (talk) 12:13, 13 January 2008 (UTC)
- I've started to put the new format of table into the article. Work on this will continue. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Shas (talk • contribs) 21:50, 25 January 2008 (UTC)
Some odd additions
[edit]Some of the "pirates" on this list seem a little odd to me. I'm not entirely sure how some of the medieval pirates listed are actually pirates - looking through the articles I can't find anything that would suggest piracy (Eric of Pomerania, for example). I'm also not sure how Thomas Paine is a pirate either. I'll hold off on removing them as I may well be missing something, though. shasYarr!/T|C 14:59, 27 January 2008 (UTC)
- PS: I've been unable to find any images of ancient world pirates. Not even statues : ( the rest are done though. shasYarr!/T|C 01:55, 28 January 2008 (UTC)
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Redlink/notability/citation cleanup...
[edit]Hey guys... I'm not sure if someone is actively working on this issue or not, but watching this page grow from almost nothing, I've noticed a lot of entries that are either red links (no article for the name), or have no citations or information to explain the entry (NOTE: Bambos Christophi and John Oberlin Harris as quick examples)...
Here's what I'm proposing/suggesting... within the next couple weeks, I think that we need to go through this list and clean it up. If the name is redlink, and there is no citation or verification available, then the person should not be listed. Taking the above two names as example, there is no way (using the information available on their entries) to verify that the person even ever existed. With a quick scan through the list, there are at least a dozen of these entries. If the person named does not have an article, and there is no citation to show proof of being a pirate, then they do not belong on this list.
Later, we will also need to start checking each name's article to see if there is citation of them being a pirate (privateer, corsair, etc.) The references at the bottom of this list also need some cleanup. If we could get a wikified ref list for each entry that would help also... I'll wait a couple days before starting and major deletionist activities, to give everyone time to answer/fix the issues...
Arrr... - Adolphus79 (talk) 04:23, 22 June 2008 (UTC)
Piracy
[edit]The introduction says "This is a list of known pirates, buccaneers, corsairs, privateers, and others involved in piracy.", while the article privacy starts with "Piracy is a robbery committed at sea, or sometimes on the shore, without a commission from a sovereign nation (robbery with sovereign commission is privateering, and distinct from piracy)." The list contains a large number of privateers (and quite a few people who were just admirals fighting the Habsburg Empire at some point). According to the intro of "piracy" these should be excluded and/or the name of this article should be changed. I think the list will be a lot more convincing and authoritative if such people are weeded out along with the people Adolphus79 mentioned above for whom no evidence is given that they were pirates. I've removed Hendrik Brouwer for example. Read that article and see if he fits the description "pirate" in any reasonable way. Afasmit (talk) 20:44, 16 July 2008 (UTC)
I've been reading the Wordsworth Dictionary of Pirates, and it seems that many otherwise "Honorable" Nobles and seamen may have resorted to piracy at various times in their life, but they are mainly known for other exploits. should this list only contain those who were solely known as pirates? Take for example Sir Martin Frobisher who is not on the list.
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Questionable entries
[edit]There doesn't seem to be any information available on either of these men.
- Vincent Kraal: A pirate known for his vicious and violent way of capturing or murdering his opponents. Modern historians think his treasure was captured by the pirates who killed the entire crew and sank their ship to the bottom of the Atlantic Ocean.
- Captain Karl Welsch: A press ganged sailor and sharpshooter who fought for France then England during the Napoleonic Wars. Transported to Australia as a convict. Escaped captivity and became the "Terror of the Tasman Sea".
Could someone look into this ? 72.74.224.82 (talk) 05:25, 13 March 2009 (UTC)
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WWII Germany sabotage and piracy activities.
[edit]Will be interenting if you include the capitains of the germany disguise ships used to sobatege allied ships in south atlantic and other ocean areas during the wwii... Like:
http://en.wiki.x.io/wiki/German_auxiliary_cruiser_Widder http://en.wiki.x.io/wiki/German_cruiser_Admiral_Graf_Spee http://en.wiki.x.io/wiki/German_auxiliary_cruiser_Thor
and several others listed here:
http://en.wiki.x.io/wiki/Category:World_War_II_cruisers_of_Germany
Some this ships served as subarine refuel ships... 190.111.68.240 (talk) 03:02, 20 May 2012 (UTC)
"Zymen Dansiker" and "Simon de Danser" are the same person...
[edit]...and thus should be listed only once. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 82.171.166.202 (talk) 09:12, 15 May 2013 (UTC)
Jesus?
[edit]Did anyone else see that daily show episode a long while back with the guy talking about the life of jesus? According to him the romans considered Jesus to be a Pirate/Bandit. I think Jesus would make an excellent addition to this list if anyone can help me find the citation. I think it was "Zealot: The Life and Times of Jesus of Nazareth" but I can't find the exact daily show episode and I don't have the book at my local library. Tristyn⌘ 19:46, 15 March 2014 (UTC)
Western-centric
[edit]Plenty of piracy in Asia over the past thousand years too. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 219.78.160.232 (talk) 10:04, 27 September 2014 (UTC)
Confusion / incorrect links re. Edward Low
[edit]The list has two similar names: Edward Low under The Age of Buccaneers, and Edward "Ned" Low under the Golden Age of Piracy. They're clearly two different people, but the links in both names go to the article on the latter. 212.40.106.98 (talk) 01:11, 26 February 2015 (UTC)
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Gráinne Mhaol
[edit]I believe "Grace O'Malley" should be listed as either Gráinne Mhaol or Grace O'Malley. Though her page's title is in dispute, I believe that it is consistent with the labeling of other pirates on this list to use her real name. The Anglicized "Grace" was given to her by the English, she never went by it, and it is not, in any way, a translation of the name Gráinne.
The Banner vehemently disagrees here. We have gone back and forth in the edits on this issue. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Jamesroseman (talk • contribs) 19:30, 4 February 2021 (UTC)
- The given sources are:
- Chambers, Anne. "Ireland's Pirate Queen: The True Story of Grace O'Malley." New York: MJF Books, 2003. ISBN 1-56731-858-4
- Cook, Judith. 2004. Pirate Queen, the life of Grace O'Malley 1530–1603. Cork: Mercier Press. ISBN 1-85635-443-1
- As we follow the sources, the name should be Grace O'Malley. The Banner talk 22:48, 4 February 2021 (UTC)
- Ow, an active move request is running at Talk:Grace O'Malley, instigated by filer. It is better to let that play out first. The Banner talk 22:59, 4 February 2021 (UTC)
Declining WP:3O request. I have declined the request iaw The Banner. The name used here will surely follow from the result of the discussion at Talk:Grace O'Malley. With all respect, Springnuts (talk) 10:06, 5 February 2021 (UTC)
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