Talk:List of fencers

Article needs substantial rework, or removal

This article is hugely unbalanced and does not represent the list of the most important fencers of all time.

Barring the substantial rework by domain experts over the next few months, I propose that it be removed from Wikipedia because it misrepresents and confuses the very information that it purports to contain.

Just consider the following. Despite overwhelmingly dominating the article, neither the USA or the UK are among the first 10 countries in terms of historical world championships results or olympic results, except the US appearing as 9th in the olympic women's results. E.g., Romania, with one-half the presence of the UK in the article and one-fourth the US', has had twice as many world champions as the US, and four times those of the UK; Poland (circa idem) has eight times the number of medals as the UK, and five times the USA's. Cuba (currently not even in the article) has the same number of olympic medals as the US and the UK combined...--109.53.74.42 (talk) 07:05, 16 August 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Perhaps a first, master version of the new article should only contain athletes who have won either the Olympics or the world championship. Subsequently, other names of some notability could be added. As it currently stands, however, the list is a casual catalogue of names.--Majorbolz (talk) 07:58, 16 August 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Harmonizing the list

With all the respect to all good fencers I guess that national or college champions and "olympians" do not fit to the same list with fencers who have achieved world class results (olympic, world championships medals). —Preceding unsigned comment added by 88.196.201.164 (talk) 20:14, 2 February 2011 (UTC)[reply]

The article is ideed at the edge of ridiculous, totally unbalanced, and with a disproportionate presence of anglo-saxon exponents. Overall, not a useful Wikipedia article. --87.28.141.207 (talk) 06:18, 16 August 2013 (UTC)[reply]

If it is felt that the list should be expanded, which I think would be good, feel free to do so. That would be helpful.--Epeefleche (talk) 23:05, 17 August 2013 (UTC)[reply]

I find this page to be interesting. I have mixed feelings about the criteria. On the one hand, olympic champions/medalists and World Cup and World Championships/medalists is a great criterion. On the other hand, National top level competitors is also a pretty good criterion. One possible solution would be to have a section for international champions/medalists and another section for national level champions/medalists. It certainly is better than having separate articles for each nation. Clearly, we need to standardize the criteria. Also, it might be interesting to add a matrix/table or icons to make it easier to compare. Also, does it make sense to combine coaches and competitors? Pre-Olympic coaches have a separate area. do the same for Olympic era coaches. I'm seeing a multitude of different fencing related lists: this, list of American epee fencers, list of american foil fencers, etc. So, a question, do we want to have every country having its own article? If yes, then perhaps the title of this article should be "list of international fencing medalists". Also we should add links to the other articles which cover people who did great in their countries but did not necessarily medal in the international competitions. Also, does this cover every international competition? or just the biggest ones: Olympics, World Cups, World Championships, etc. ? RobSVA (talk) 23:20, 11 March 2015 (UTC) RobSVA (talk) 13:00, 12 March 2015 (UTC)RobSVA (talk) 14:20, 12 March 2015 (UTC)[reply]

suggestions: for each listing please ensure that dates are listed, e.g. which Olympics, which world championship, which world cup, etc. RobSVA (talk) 12:58, 12 March 2015 (UTC)[reply]

If it is felt that the list should be expanded, which I think would be good, feel free to do so. That would be helpful. As to having a separate list for each nation, that would make more sense if/once this list became longer. As it is, seems better to have them all in one place. One can create redirects for each nation, bringing them here. Epeefleche (talk) 21:48, 12 March 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Balking

How is it Abraham Balk, credited as only man to win both foil & épée (1947), isn't mentioned? Trekphiler 02:17, 20 February 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Ok ... done. --Epeefleche 09:16, 20 February 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Removed 'Historical and Classical' Fencing Personalities

I have removed entries for recent 'Historical' and 'Classical' fencing personalities. They may be relegated to a separate entry on 'Historical Fencing'.

These personalities represent a very small, minority community, and exercise little or no influence on the development of fencing as a sport or martial art, the study of its history or its theory. Sport fencing, worldwide, under bodies accredited by the Federation Internationale d'Escrime, and/or the IOC, counts millions of current and past participants. The personalities listed in the current article all achieved some notoriety on a historical scale, either as historical figures such as Karl Marx and General George S. Patton, or as accomplished athletes and teachers who contributed significantly to the development of mainstream fencing: by training champions, introducing significant technical and theoretical developments, or winning major international competitions. Additionally, comprehensive, academic histories of fencing, European weapons and related topics have been produced on a significant scale by military historians and participants in the mainstream of Olympic and sport fencing. By contrast, the personalities listed under the now-deleted headings count a few thousand students globally, who practice historical fencing in a manner more closely related to loose, 'Society for Creative Anachronisms', historical re-enactments. Their students have no impact on world and national class, competitive fencing, and their work has literally no influence on the development of fencing as it is practiced by the vast majority of enthusiasts and serious athletes globally. 216.168.238.7 23:46, 28 August 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Great Britain

The appearance of some random entries in this list is obviously an abuse of the page. I am as a result removing the following entries, and recomend that if these names reappear then they be removed again.

Jake Rowley Sabreur. International fencer at several levels, and Junior nationals and BSC finalist. Also an FIE referee
Harry Boteler Sabreur. Silver medal at Moneteau International in 2008 and winner of the 2009 Carnival Cup, reached the final tableau at Meylan and Camden internationals, and gold medallist in Meylan team event.
Jack Boteler Sabreur. Junior international fencer, coach and referee, and winner of Bristol Open plate 2008 & 2009, and won several other vital events. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 92.24.152.146 (talk) 20:16, 5 April 2011 (UTC)[reply]

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