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Kenny htv, can I add https://www.viu.com/ott/sg/en-us/vod/86120/Dining-Together-2018 International Broadcast Singapore? I placed it here as I don't want to be reverted when I edit. Please review Quek157 (talk) 15:31, 13 April 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Quek157. As my opinion, it's not considered as international broadcast. International broadcast is only acceptable for a national broadcasting network with a licence broadcast bought from the original version's production team, not for any legal/illegal website (free or non-free). And VIU website's service is only available in some countries which were listed in the main page, not for all. Even Netflix website broadcast (with licence) a lot of South Korean shows and dramas but it's not considered as an international broadcast, VIU is also no exception. Kenny htv (talk) 16:06, 13 April 2018 (UTC)[reply]
Kenny htv fair, will not add...but many other drama/ variety have this and in Singapore, it is also part of national carriers singtel/starhub paid tv offerings Quek157 (talk) 16:12, 13 April 2018 (UTC)[reply]
Quek157. You can see this Kenny htv (talk) 16:14, 13 April 2018 (UTC)[reply]
"...but many other drama/ variety have this..." -> because Wikipedia is free to contribute, and it's less controllable in terms of content, that's why you can see it on that pages. Kenny htv (talk) 16:23, 13 April 2018 (UTC)[reply]

okay Quek157 (talk) 18:07, 13 April 2018 (UTC) i get it[reply]

Kenny htv

I believe it fails on two terms of WP:ELNO -

  • primarily exist to sell products or services - even if free, it is a streaming service
  • sites that work only with a specific country - it is only useful for some countries

So no, I think they are not allowed Evaders99 (talk) 06:52, 23 January 2018 (UTC) My added comments 1. In Singapore context, VIU is quite useful. not only online, our national carriers, Singtel , government linked conmpany and largest telco, did have something called SINGTELCAST i.e. can be watched on TV (Like paid TV). I am specifically mentioned in SG as if that is the case, all pages must have FTA (free to air) only and not paid??? then all contents must be purged 2. sites that work on a specific country??? now we are not only sites, we are mentioning TV 3. Is there consensus on the link, is one confirmed user asking another, and the "I think" 4. The replying user isn't admin also

Conclusion 1. I will not insist adding VIU for this, also VIU only started JTBC this year (i.e. from around ep 68) but VIU status in SG is not like other countries, and many other streaming sites are blocked due to viu permissions....so do keep your mind open....thanks a lot and have a nice day Quek157 (talk) 21:49, 13 April 2018 (UTC)[reply]

The discussion over http://en.wiki.x.io/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Korea/Popular_culture#Is_a_South_Korean_program_airing_on_Viu_(Singapore)_considered_as_an_(official)_international_broadcast?

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(COPY PASTED for reference) Is a South Korean program airing on Viu (Singapore) considered as an (official) international broadcast? An user asked me about adding the Viu website as an international broadcast in Singapore for page Let's Eat Dinner Together but I refused it. It seems my answer is not convincing and he still has the intention to add the website link (on someday). Can someone help me to discuss with him? It's good if you can take a look and directly discuss in Talk:Let's Eat Dinner Together. Thanks. Kenny htv (talk) 22:53, 13 April 2018 (UTC)

chanced upon this page. I am the "an user", not very courteous for not pinging me here. I already say UNEQUIVOCALLY I will not add. Wikipedia works on consensus and then i agreed to your POV, consensus = not add on the page (1 oppose / 1 abstained - me). So then why need someone else to explain? I never once say in the page that your response is non convincing. What is my intention to add website link? Look at http://en.wiki.x.io/wiki/My_Love_from_the_Star, under International Broadcast Singapore ONE TV ASIA[65] MediaCorp Channel U Viu[66]. This is a B class article which will meet all inline citations and now a GA class nominee. Please consider to cross reference to all project sites rather than have a narrow POV. In addition, look at how I treated an IP (you can scroll down my list of contribution), when they say things that make sense, I will accept. Even if they say things that doesn't make sense to me, but another editor say things that make sense, I will also accept. End of discussion as there is nothing to discuss in the first place . --Quek157 (talk) 21:08, 29 April 2018 (UTC)

To kenny htv, please ping me in the future. thanks a lot Quek157 (talk) 21:10, 29 April 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Quek157. I don't want to ping you in this problem, for what? For more discussions about this? Sorry I don't have a lot of time to do it and English is also not my major. I would not publish anything in the WikiProject talk page if our discussion above ended at "okay Quek157 (talk) 18:07, 13 April 2018 (UTC) i get it". Because after that, you copied the discussion I sended you and analyzed it. Based on your 3 ("Is there consensus on the link, is one confirmed user asking another, and the "I think") and 4 ("The replying user isn't admin also"), I have understood that you accepted but not completely. So I need other more objective point of views from veteran editors, not only the subjective POV from you or me (because maybe I was wrong about this), that's why I put the discussion in the WikiProject talk page. Thank you! Kenny htv (talk) 21:59, 29 April 2018 (UTC)[reply]
Because English is your major, not mine. So, for me to understand well in the next time, please write in common English and avoid as much as possible to abbreviate. Thank you very much! Kenny htv (talk) 22:07, 29 April 2018 (UTC)[reply]
Kenny htv Okay, I am in the wrong also for this. Basically this is my commitment, I will not add Viu and that's it. I am of the concern that discussion is too narrow, with only 2 editors commentating which yes, more commentators is key. I am a little concern of veteran editors as what is your definition of veteran editors. As observed in your talk pages as well as other pages, I feel that you tend to cut people off the conversation and have a little odd in putting forth words, I understand that it is your second language. I also don't think this discussion should go any further as the previous discussion of Viu ended up very open and not much have been discussed (which may simply mean nobody is interested in it) and I will say it is no consensus among the entire community. Just like how many pages still do not follow WP:KO/RS and used Viu. In summary, I will not edit pages any further which you have a vested interest in, and will follow all community guidelines as closely as possible. This is the committment to all users. I appreciate your work in all the pages, especially Another Miss Oh, Doctors, LOTJ, Dinner Together as well as all the awards. I don't think the entire discussion will go anywhere, I feel this is like WP:DEADHORSE. Let individual editors use their wisdom for Viu. --Quek157 (talk) 22:15, 29 April 2018 (UTC)[reply]
Quek157. Thank you for the essay, a good experience for me after reading it.
A little point: "Just like how many pages still do not follow WP:KO/RS and used Viu." This is not difficult to understand, as I mentioned in the discussion above, Wikipedia is free to contribute and less controllable in terms of content, so of course, there are people who know and respect the rule alongside with the others who doesn't know or doesn't want to respect the rule. This is the same case of using the form [[:non_English_language:non_English_language_title|English_title]] instead of using Template:Interlanguage link for an article which is already existed in other language Wikipedia but not yet in English Wikipeda; or using Allkpop, Soompi or the similar websites as references instead of other reliable sources. Kenny htv (talk) 22:56, 29 April 2018 (UTC)[reply]
Kenny htv Yes, I agree with all you mention. Let's try to improve articles together! In Korean "끝". --Quek157 (talk) 23:00, 29 April 2018 (UTC)[reply]
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