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Les Murray's Nationality

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What Nationality IS Les Murray? I had a look around the internet and couldn't find an authoritative answer. The disambiguation page for Les Murray says "Les Murray (broadcaster), the Hungarian-Australian football (soccer) broadcaster" whereas this article says he was born in Hungary and emigrated to Australia.

Interesting that "Les Murray" never acknowledges his roots and presents himself as an Anglo. I doubt that he has ever acknowledged that his name is actually László Ürge. Also interesting that despite arriving in Australia at age 7, he speaks with a heavy European accent - pronouncing football as "phood-boll". — Preceding unsigned comment added by 58.178.106.107 (talk) 08:42, 19 May 2015 (UTC)[reply]

He certainly appears domiciled in Australia, and I think Australia would claim him as an Australian national. I understand that Nationality does not require citizenship.

Am I wrong then to state that the answer to "What Nationality is Les Murray?" is "Australian"? RevJohn 10:00, 10 April 2006 (UTC)[reply]

What Nationality IS Les Murray? The Globe shrinks and Les Murray is a citizen of the world, as well as Australian. SBS Dateline, Sunday 6 November, featured a TV documentary of significance to the current political question of the status of “people smugglers”. The thrust of the show was Les Murray’s return to Hungary seeking the man who smuggled his family out following the Soviet suppression of the 1956 Hungarian Uprising. I think it would be worthy to update his biography to include reference to this political expression. Please see Link: [[1]] —at this time a replay/transcript of the TV documentary is available— R Game (talk) 15:04, 9 November 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Merge

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I have suggested that Les Murray (journalist) be merged into this article, because it's a single-sentence stub about the same person. Tiefighter 08:46, 17 May 2006 (UTC)[reply]

So Laszlo wasn't interested in football before moving to Australia?

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Despite living in the football hotbed that was 1950's Hungary?

It seems to be suggested in [this edit]. Misb 16:00, 16 December 2006 (UTC)[reply]

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BetacommandBot (talk) 05:09, 24 January 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Picture

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If anyone had a picture of les, putting it up would be a great help to the article. Chumchum14 (talk) 06:33, 25 July 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Living Treasure? Really?

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The National Trust's list here includes Les Murray AO. Australians are entitled to assume that this can refer only to the poet Les A Murray, who has brought a different kind of international credit and attention to Australia than has the eminent broadcaster Les Murray AM. I won't change this before getting email confirmation from the National Trust, but I note the apparent error has been in the article for the best part of two years :) Cheers, Bjenks (talk) 14:03, 10 December 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Well spotted, this is the sort of thing where a cursory check of references would appear to validate the claim, but looking more in depth reveals an error due to the ambiguity of their names. If it helps, AustLit confirms that Les Murray (the poet) was made an Australian National Living Treasure in 1997. --Canley (talk) 04:19, 11 December 2009 (UTC)[reply]

"Soccer"/"football"/"association football"

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Some edit warring has recently broken out over terminology. It seems that the terminology "soccer" was consistently used throughout this article, but this has been changed to "football (soccer)" and "association football", sparking reversions every which way.

I suggest that the first occurence in the lead should refer to:

  • "football (soccer)"; or
  • "association football (soccer)"; or
  • a more complete explanation, such as: "soccer, which Murray refers to by the name 'football' or the phrase 'the world game'."

Thereafter, the word "football" can be used as it is clear from the context which code this refers to. This would be consistent with the names of the various organisations mentioned in the article. —sroc (talk) 00:21, 22 November 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Always a difficult issue. I see very different use of the word football in different parts of Australia. In the AFL areas it's very rare for it to be used to describe Association football. Fans of the game simply call it soccer. Football just means Aussie Rules. But it seems to be more common now to use football to describe the round ball game in NSW & Qld. This all means that it's wrong to try to generalise for the whole of Australia. And since we have maybe half the country's population never using the word football alone to describe Association football, it's probably not appropriate in the article. But I'm keen to hear the views of others on how to tackle this linguistic divide. HiLo48 (talk) 02:58, 22 November 2010 (UTC)[reply]
This sounds like some original research creeping in here, with perceptions of use in different geographical areas. This article isn't about different kinds of "football" in different areas; it is about a presenter who specialises in one particular code of football (and he calls it "football" himself, for what it's worth). Once this is established in the article, I see no reason to resist using the word "football" throughout the article, as the context makes its meaning unambiguous. —sroc (talk) 04:29, 22 November 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Call it WP:OR if you like, but I am very confident of what I have said about language use in the Aussie Rules states and territories. This page is to discuss how to make the article as good as it could be. Les Murray is popular among soccer fans all over Australia. Every part of the article needs to make immediate sense to readers in all of those places. Using the name soccer would achieve that. Football wouldn't. HiLo48 (talk) 06:52, 22 November 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Every article that I've seen related to football in australia uses football (soccer) or association football (soccer) in the lead, with the game being referred to as football thereafter. Considering this precedent and the fact Les Murray calls the game football himself, as well as the fact that it's unambiguous when the word football is defined in the lead, I think consistency would suggest football is the term that should be used. I should also add that the game is now officially known as football in Australia seeing as the governing body is known as Football Federation Australia.Watermelon mang (talk) 03:12, 5 April 2012 (UTC)[reply]
So why did you ignore my Edit summary. Please have a look at Talk:Soccer in Australia#Requested move. HiLo48 (talk) 03:14, 5 April 2012 (UTC)[reply]
I didn't ignore your edit summary, your edit came later. It seems bizarre to me then that every other article I've come across uses the term football. Watermelon mang (talk) 03:25, 5 April 2012 (UTC)[reply]
OK, sorry about the Edit summary comment. That Request move was only nine months ago, and was triggered by intense debate over one or two articles. I can't even remember which. They were "corrected" after the decision, but no massive move was initiated to change every usage across Wikipedia. It was just accepted as policy for future discussions, and here's one now :-) HiLo48 (talk) 03:35, 5 April 2012 (UTC)[reply]
No hard feelings. Thanks for explaining the situation. Watermelon mang (talk) 04:18, 5 April 2012 (UTC)[reply]

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