Talk:Lebanon women's national under-20 football team

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Reviewer: Alanna the Brave (talk · contribs) 23:26, 21 October 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Hello! I'll be taking on this review. Comments to come over the next few days. Alanna the Brave (talk) 23:26, 21 October 2023 (UTC)[reply]

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Criteria: 1a. prose () 1b. MoS () 2a. ref layout () 2b. cites WP:RS () 2c. no WP:OR () 2d. no WP:CV ()

3a. broadness () 3b. focus () 4. neutral () 5. stable () 6a. free or tagged images () 6b. pics relevant ()

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Alrighty -- thanks for your patience! This article is looking pretty solid. The prose is generally clear, the article seems stable and neutral, and the included photos are relevant and appropriately tagged/licensed. No red flags from Earwig's copy-vio tool or from spot checks. There are a handful of social media sources used as refs, but they seem to be official football team/association accounts from the region (I think it's appropriate for this article subject) and are used minimally in the text. I do have a few other questions around prose, broadness, and reliable sourcing, however, and have included my comments and queries below:

Main text

History

"Thanks to a four-goal haul by Yara Bou Rada..." --> This feels a bit un-encyclopedic in tone (more like sports commentary). Perhaps a rephrase?
- Done. Nehme₁₄₉₉ 21:57, 28 October 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Is there any info you could add to the main text about the head coach (e.g., who she is, when she started coaching the team)? She's mentioned in the infobox, but nowhere else.
- The coach position is currently vacant, as the previous coach is now head coach of the women's senior team. Nehme₁₄₉₉ 21:57, 28 October 2023 (UTC)[reply]
"despite losing 2–0 to Australia, Lebanon won against the other two teams (thanks to a four-goal haul by Yara Bou Rada against Hong Kong and three goals by Samira Awad)..." --> not backed up by the given source.
- Done. Nehme₁₄₉₉ 21:57, 28 October 2023 (UTC)[reply]
"After defeating Bhutan (6–2) and Mongolia (5–0)..." --> not backed up by the given source.
- Done. Nehme₁₄₉₉ 21:57, 28 October 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Recent results

I had a quick look at instructions for use of the football box template, and (to avoid original research) it looks like it's important to always include that external "Report" link to match results. The two friendly matches with United Arab Emirates and the 7 June match with Iran all appear to be missing that link to match results, and the links to results for the 3 June match with Australia and 5 June match with Vietnam are not working (I'm getting a blank page).
- Fixed. Nehme₁₄₉₉ 21:57, 28 October 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Players

I'm just going to check: in the table of players, there are no players listed with the numbers 14, 16, or 20. Are any player names missing, or are these numbers simply unused right now?
- The numbers are currently unused. Nehme₁₄₉₉ 21:57, 28 October 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Top scorers

Christy Maalouf's photo caption claims that she is "the team's all-time record scorer". Is there a solid source to back that up?
The list of top scorers is not backed up with a source (the IG source only mentions Maalouf and Iskandar, and only for 10 goals).
- I have removed the section altogether. Nehme₁₄₉₉ 21:57, 28 October 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Competitive record

What are the sources for this information? Are there some simple refs that could be added to the main heading of each box?
- Done. Nehme₁₄₉₉ 21:57, 28 October 2023 (UTC)[reply]
FIFA U-20 Women's World Cup record table gives "To be determined" for the year 2022 -- is there still some kind of wait for that information?
- Fixed. Nehme₁₄₉₉ 21:57, 28 October 2023 (UTC)[reply]
AFC U-20 Women's Asian Cup: The qualification record table lists one draw game in 2024, but this is not reflected in the total below it.
- Fixed. Nehme₁₄₉₉ 21:57, 28 October 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Other suggestions

While not required by GA, it's good practice to add alt text descriptions to photos (just to help readers who may be using screen-readers).
- Done. Nehme₁₄₉₉ 21:57, 28 October 2023 (UTC)[reply]
I would also suggest adding archived versions of your sources (via Wayback Machine) to help avoid broken links in future.
- Can this be done automatically through a bot? Nehme₁₄₉₉ 21:57, 28 October 2023 (UTC)[reply]

I'll put this on hold for a few days so you can respond. Let me know if you have any questions about my comments. Best, Alanna the Brave (talk) 00:58, 27 October 2023 (UTC)[reply]

@Alanna the Brave: I should have dealt with everything. Let me know if anything else needs fixing. Nehme₁₄₉₉ 21:57, 28 October 2023 (UTC)[reply]

@Nehme1499: Apologies for the wait -- I've been struggling with a busy schedule this past week. I'll check your new edits and respond as soon as possible. Alanna the Brave (talk) 20:05, 4 November 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Second round of review comments

@Nehme1499: Here we go -- I've checked your updates (thank you for those) and completed another sweep for any sourcing issues. The article is definitely looking better, but I'm still seeing a handful of items to address:

"After defeating Bhutan (6–2) and Mongolia (5–0)..." --> according to your new cited source, the score against Mongolia was 7-0.
- Fixed. Nehme₁₄₉₉ 16:57, 14 November 2023 (UTC)[reply]
You've added new refs to cite the competitive record info for FIFA U-20 Women's World Cup and AFC U-20 Women's Asian Cup (the two Di Maggio sources) but I took a look at them, and they don't mention Lebanon at all. How do we know when Lebanon did not enter vs. tried to enter but did not qualify?
- You would have to need to enter the tournament-specific RSSSF.com pages. From the Women U-19/U-20 World Cup source, you can for example click on 2016, then AFC to view Lebanon's qualification campagin. Nehme₁₄₉₉ 16:57, 14 November 2023 (UTC)[reply]
In the infobox, Christy Maalouf is still listed as "top scorer" without any sourcing.
- Fixed. Nehme₁₄₉₉ 16:57, 14 November 2023 (UTC)[reply]
In the "Players" section: do you have a source to back up ages/birth dates of players? This info isn't actually mentioned in the IG post about players called up for the squad.
- You can find a lot of DoB's here. But I doubt there is a comprehensive source listing full squad DoB's, especially for youth national teams. Nehme₁₄₉₉ 16:57, 14 November 2023 (UTC)[reply]

I haven't tried using a bot for archiving sources, but I think it can be done: under "View History," there is an external tool listed under "Fix dead links," and that should bring you to the IABot interface. I notice that, in particular, the two West Asian Football Federation sources cited in the article need fixing. Best, Alanna the Brave (talk) 17:01, 10 November 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Fixed. Nehme₁₄₉₉ 16:57, 14 November 2023 (UTC)[reply]

@Alanna the Brave: I should have taken care of your concerns. Nehme₁₄₉₉ 16:57, 14 November 2023 (UTC)[reply]

@Nehme1499: I'm back -- apologies again for the slowness! Thanks for the corrections. Two final requests:

I see what you mean about going into the tournament-specific RSSSF source pages (for the competitive record info), but some readers may find it confusing/unusual to have to go through two layers of a source when they are looking for specific information. Can you either (a) cite the individual tournament-specific pages instead, or (b) include a brief explanatory note with the existing tournament citations (21 & 22) that clarifies how to find tournament-specific info within the source?
I think the players' dates of birth either need to be cited with strong sources or removed completely -- they're not essential for this article, and if we're publishing personal information about living players (BLP), we need to be extra certain that the information is correct and verifiable.

That's everything from me. Let me know when these two items are sorted, and I should be ready to pass the article. Alanna the Brave (talk) 19:05, 28 November 2023 (UTC)[reply]

@Alanna the Brave: Done. Nehme₁₄₉₉ 10:45, 29 November 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Alrighty -- I've made a couple of final edits myself for further clarity/sourcing accuracy, and I think the article is solid enough to pass muster now. I'm passing it. Good work! If you keep adding to the article in future (which I hope you do), just make sure you cite any new information with good sources. Even if you're confident you know where the info comes from, and that it's correct, your readers should still be able to verify the info themselves. Best, Alanna the Brave (talk) 02:11, 30 November 2023 (UTC)[reply]