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I have replaced the main historical text with a longer and fuller account. I have tried to retain all the information that was already there, but added material to show the complexity of the events at Lambing Flat, and give more background context to explain why they happened, and their ongoing significance. Peter Bell (talk) 00:57, 19 February 2008 (UTC)[reply]

I have done some minor edits early in the text, chiefly removing some racist comments which had been added, and re-inserting one paragraph which had been altered in meaning to become racist, and then removed for that reason by someone else. I also removed the following paragraph, which, while true, does not belong in this article, as it is not about either Lambing Flat or Chinese miners:

"The government introduced a taxation scheme in the form of the "Miner's Licence", which put additional financial pressure upon the miners. This gave rise to several violent protests against the government across Victoria and New South Wales in the late 1850s and early 1860s, the most significant being the Eureka Stockade of 1854." Peter Bell (talk) 22:33, 29 September 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Original research

This page, an important article about a major event in Australian history, consists largely of original research and is written in a non-encyclopedic manner. I'm kinda disappointed that nothing has been done sooner, or in fact that there are almost no tags related to these issues on the page. Termine (talk) 11:17, 19 April 2010 (UTC)[reply]

I see there's a WP:OR tag on the page, but most/all of what's there now, though without references, matches the literature I read when writing Buckland Riot. I don't have the time at the moment, but I think published sources are out there for just about everything on Lambing Flat riots. Perhaps we can specifically discuss what you consider original research, then work on those matters first? Weedwhacker128 (talk) 18:38, 18 November 2010 (UTC)[reply]

I wrote most of the text here. There's no original research - it's all based on published scholarly articles. I've added a couple of inline citations to the most important sources. I've also deleted a sentence which contained a personal opinion. I'm not sure why it's said to be "written in a non-encyclopedic manner", but I'm happy to listen to suggestions. Any other issues? Peter Bell (talk) 08:25, 10 January 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Since there's been no further/any issues brought up I removed the WP:OR and WP:CLEAN tags. Weedwhacker128 (talk) 19:37, 11 February 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Massacre?

Why is this called a massacre? There is little evidence if any of any Chinese death. The only recorded deaths are among whites who resisted police: some accounts say up to 30 were shot to death. The definition of massacre is a deliberate mass slaughter of many individuals. This doesn't fit the bill. Personally I suspect there were a couple of Chinese deaths - probably from slow extradural bleeding after head wounds, or slow internal haemorrhage after been hit in the torso, or indeed lingering deepseated bone or other infections causing cachexia and later death - and that they were quietly buried by their compatriots not willing to let the colonial authority in on the proceedings ie not wishing to incur further trouble. I am well qualified to make these assumptions. Still, it is not a massacre - such an inaccurate appellation actually cheapens the true import of these incidents. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 58.169.16.67 (talk) 01:06, 11 January 2011 (UTC)[reply]

You're perfectly correct. I don't know when that word crept in, but I've removed it. Despite the folklore, there is no good evidence of any Chinese deaths in the series of incidents at Burrangong. The only documented death was a European killed by the police during the attack on their camp. Peter Bell (talk) —Preceding undated comment added 05:16, 11 January 2011 (UTC).[reply]

Not Chartist

I must also take issues with the notion that the Lambing flat incidents are examples of Chartism. While they may be seen as an attempt to protect the common worker (a chartist philosophy) they are better seen simply as a racist movement attempting to exclude Chinese. Note that Chartism explicitly included all races and was essentially an attempt to protect poor working folk from rampant capitalists and their misuse of power through wealth. Of the 13 brought to trial for the Eureka Stockade affair (a Chartist movement) there was an Italian, a Jew and two blacks. Hardly racist. I therefore do not agree that the banner is an example of Chartist art. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 58.169.16.67 (talk) 06:40, 11 January 2011 (UTC)[reply]

The only mention of Chartism is in one sentence about the banner: "It is possibly a unique example of the Chartist art." I think you're right again. Why don't you remove the sentence? Peter Bell (talk) 01:30, 14 January 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Don't wish to offend - nevertheless I will edit the article as you suggest. Lgh (talk) 10:49, 17 January 2011 (UTC)[reply]

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They chaged it to young why? 211.30.61.145 (talk) 00:44, 17 March 2023 (UTC)[reply]

So people don't go there and say something like, hey, that's the place where there was loads of racism 203.7.120.94 (talk) 01:08, 31 August 2023 (UTC)[reply]

I hate to be the bearer of bad news but Citations are needed for purported additional Historic Versions of the Lambing Flat Banner. I can't find any reference in any Non-Fictional Source to any other purported Historic Versions of the Lambing Flat Riot Flag/Banner on the Web so far—but perhaps there may still be mention of these purported Historic Variants somewhere in Non-Fictional Offline Media, or even somewhere that I've missed on the Web, for all I know thus far. I note that the version with no Mullet on the Fess Point appears on https://www.ironbarkresources.com/pdfs/LambingFlatRebellion.pdf but this is a Fictional Publication. If anyone has any Information corroborating the existence of supposed other Versions of the Lambing Flat Riot Banner/Flag then it would be much appreciated if it were to be provided please. Also; the purported Flag Version with the Mullet Or violates the Heraldic Rule of Tincture; Or on Argent is Metal-on-Metal. 203.142.136.254 (talk) 19:48, 19 March 2023 (UTC)[reply]