Talk:Kyoto International Junior and Senior High School

August 2024

This user (User:Meganinja202) is persistently trying to remove from this page the fact that most of the baseball players at this school are Japanese, and that the baseball club was quickly strengthened when a Japanese coach was brought in. However, it is a very important fact that although this school was established as a Korean school, Japanese students and coaches were brought in to strengthen the baseball club in order to improve the management of the school.--SLIMHANNYA (talk) 09:24, 23 August 2024 (UTC)

Most of the students in the school's baseball club are Japanese, and the fact that the school has brought in a Japanese coach to strengthen the baseball club is a true indication of what the school has done to rebuild its management. This is in direct contrast to the fact that the Chōsen gakkō has been primarily run by Korean students and Korean teachers. Please do not delete this important information along with its source.--SLIMHANNYA (talk) 06:26, 25 August 2024 (UTC)

what i am revising is the fact he joined the school by invite instead of "hiring" and the fact their growth happened after 2020, not since 2008, various sources and even the team maneger himself seems to agree on the fact that they had struggled before 2020/2021
Also about the studant numbers, it clearly is WP:EXCESSDETAIL since it there has a specific area for the school clubs, there is no need to put such info before team clubs area Meganinja202 (talk) 19:46, 26 August 2024 (UTC)

Several sources clearly state that Komaki's appointment as manager of the baseball club quickly strengthened the club and that his coaching methods were successful in turning 11 students into professional baseball players. Please do not underestimate Komaki's role or try to remove the fact that all or nearly all of the students in the baseball club are Japanese just because it is inconvenient to the story you want to tell.--SLIMHANNYA (talk) 02:46, 27 August 2024 (UTC)

Im not trying to take the maneger value out, i am only saying that himself and sources point out that he was not the sole cause of victory
Himself in a interview to Asahi Shimbun, said that he was invited and also said he mostly maneged to win beacuse the players theyselfes decided train more than before and focus in fix their weakeness. he also mentioned in other interviews how they used to struggle a lot in tournaments peformance before 2020. in japanese high school baseball, peformance is measured in how deep you can make your team go into the tournaments, and the school only reached the koshien tournaments only after 2020, reaching the first in Spring 2021, there has various manegers that manage to make pro players, but only a very few of those manage to put his team into koshien. Meganinja202 (talk) 20:13, 27 August 2024 (UTC)

It is also noteworthy that although this user wrote that the Netto-uyoku (Japanese nationalists) is persecuting the school, the source never mentions the Netto-uyoku, and this user intentionally does not provide any reason why this school song is controversial. The lyrics of the school song are considered problematic by some people because the lyrics refer to the Sea of Japan as "Donghae". The Sea of Japan naming dispute is one of the major political issues between Japan and South Korea as to how the Sea of Japan should be referred to internationally. Even Komaki, the manager who led the baseball club to the Koshien championship, wants to change the school song, and he even expresses his dislike for the school that continues to ignore his suggestions. The school song issue is often covered by various media. This user has such a strong feeling for this school's victory that he nominated it for the English Wikipedia news, so he cannot be unaware of this important information. I oppose any attempt to mislead the reader into believing that the Korean students overcame discrimination from the Japanese and won the Koshien tournament. I oppose any attempt to use this site to reflect any agenda.--SLIMHANNYA (talk) 14:53, 25 August 2024 (UTC)

The japanese articles do mention acts of prejudge and xenophobia typical of those groups, not just it, it also mentions 5channel that historicaly is known to be a internet forum popular among netto-uyos .
About the team anthem issue, I am very aware of it since its koshien debut in 2021, it is a theme talked in japanese media even before its koshien debut.
While does indeed mentions the "east sea" the anthem is used since its early days in 1940s, therafore it predates the 1992 south korea government official regonizion of the term, it was not put purposly later with the intention of inflame as some right-learning sources tries to portrait with the intentions of provoke hate to the school.

Lastly, the "victory over discrimination and prejudge" lens is not some sort of a hidden agenda, it comes from reports as is shown in Japanese, Korean and even USA media, in a interview with a japanese media, one of players showed anxiety and mentioned fear of being attacked if they manged to win the tournament, it was mentioned that in 2021 and again this year, the school recived many bad calls and even death threats, its notewhorth too much to be ignored and for sure it is not a one-sided issue. Meganinja202 (talk) 20:58, 26 August 2024 (UTC)

>it also mentions 5channel that historicaly is known to be a internet forum popular among netto-uyos .

So the source states that 5channel is involved but doesn't mention netto-uyo. You however happen tonow that netto-uyos like 5channel so therefore the 5channel involvement is netto-uyo involvement? That is WP:OR/WP:SYNTHESIS and isn't allowed in articles. If the sources don't state anything about netto-uyos then we don't write anything about the netto-uyos. Traumnovelle (talk) 00:43, 27 August 2024 (UTC)

Japanese media tends to not directly tell about them with fear of various types of retaliation, but is commonly assumed that is about them due past actions

if is more accetable, i could use the 2021 incident as a source that does mention them in some rare posts, I had also found some in korean media too, but user will likely alledge bias since is korean media. Meganinja202 (talk) 01:12, 27 August 2024 (UTC)

User:Meganinja202 makes some strange and completely inaccurate claims on the Administrators' noticeboard and here. The fact that almost all of the students in the baseball club at this school are Japanese is by no means a redundant explanation. The fact that almost all of the boys at this high school are members of the baseball club is a distinctive feature of the school's specialization in baseball, and the fact that almost all of the baseball club members are Japanese is even more striking considering that this school was founded as a Korean school. This information is essential to this page because this school, in order to escape a financial crisis, changed its operating policies to comply with the Japanese government's curriculum guidelines, began accepting Japanese students, and started a baseball club. And I use the Sports Graphic Number and Yahoo News as sources, which are in no way right-wing or politically biased. I am not trying to remove the statement that Meganinja202 added that 30% of the students at this school have some connection to Korea because I find it consistent with the various sources I added. I wrote that this school changed its operating policy to regain its management and started accepting Japanese students and started a baseball club. I also wrote that most of the students on the baseball club are Japanese. I added various pieces of information to this page that characterize this school, but Meganinja's edits unilaterally attempt to remove this information. Meganinja seems to be obsessed only with deliberately removing important information and spreading a fictitious story about the Korean baseball players' victory over discrimination among Nettto-uyoku. It seems inconvenient to him that the baseball club's students, manager, and recruiting staff are Japanese, and that even the manager and recruiting staff are against the controversial school song.--SLIMHANNYA (talk) 01:58, 27 August 2024 (UTC)

I'm not familiar with this content here but using a 2021 article to source something about a 2024 incident is also inappropriate. Traumnovelle (talk) 02:39, 27 August 2024 (UTC)

@Traumnovelle, basically the same thing that happened in 2024 happened in 2021, the team went deep into the tournament, suffered attacks, media talked about it, besides i heared some interviews from the school director saying that 2021 was worst than 2024 but he said simmilar stuffs happened between 2021 and 2024

and to be clear,@SLIMHANNYA i am not hiding anything, in fact i had futher the maneger story saying that he was one of team members that played agnaist the school in their first game ever and you had deleted it TWICE,you also seems intrested to hide the fact he was invited, not hired, to be the maneger and also struggled in its first years before get a strong team in 2020, why obess so much about 2008 when the school wasnt even that good before 2019?
about the 30% part, the only thing i removed was the information about the club numbers only beacuse it was redundant to the fact the school had 30% of coreans overall, if you want put stuffs about clubs, put in extra curricular area, not in the area that talks about the number of studants OVERALL or else it will fall into WP:TOOMUCH Meganinja202 (talk) 05:02, 27 August 2024 (UTC)

That doesn't matter, they are not the same. You cannot synthesise two sources like that to reach a novel conclusion not supported by either source. Traumnovelle (talk) 05:08, 27 August 2024 (UTC)

what if a source mentions about and their simillarities? Kyodo News mentioned the issues and how very simmillar they were Meganinja202 (talk) 20:16, 27 August 2024 (UTC)

The most you could say is something like 'the 2024 incident was similar to the 2021 incident which involved 5channel' but that is still inappropriate because you're implying 5channel had to be involved despite no source stating that. If 5channel were involved why did Kyodo news not report that? Either they weren't or it isn't important. Either one of the two options means it should not be included in our article. Traumnovelle (talk) 20:21, 27 August 2024 (UTC)