Talk:Kill No Albatross

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This page meets the Criteria for inclusion under the following categories:

(1) Has been the subject of multiple, non-trivial, published works appearing in sources that are reliable, not self-published, and are independent from the musician or ensemble itself.

The band has two songs in the Rock Band 2 and 3 video games.

(10) Has performed music for a work of media that is notable, e.g., a theme for a network television show, performance in a television show or notable film, inclusion on a notable compilation album, etc.

The band had the theme song for the CFRB Conspiracy Show for several years until its cancellation.

(11) Has performed music for a work of media that is notable, e.g., a theme for a network television show, performance in a television show or notable film, inclusion on a notable compilation album, etc

See 10.

Thank you!

-Frenzy- (talk) 14:54, 27 January 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Contested deletion

This article should not be speedily deleted for lack of asserted importance because...

Hi, this is Frenzy again. Used my other Wiki account for the picture upload, thus the article shows as being edited under this account. My reasoning still stands though:

This page meets the Criteria for inclusion under the following categories:

(1) Has been the subject of multiple, non-trivial, published works appearing in sources that are reliable, not self-published, and are independent from the musician or ensemble itself.

The band has two songs in the Rock Band 2 and 3 video games.

(10) Has performed music for a work of media that is notable, e.g., a theme for a network television show, performance in a television show or notable film, inclusion on a notable compilation album, etc.

The band had the theme song for the CFRB Conspiracy Show for several years until its cancellation.

(11) Has performed music for a work of media that is notable, e.g., a theme for a network television show, performance in a television show or notable film, inclusion on a notable compilation album, etc

See 10.

Thank you!

EasterInTheBatcave (talk) 15:33, 27 January 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Secondary Sources

I added secondary sources to this article. What else needs improving?

EasterInTheBatcave (talk) 03:35, 28 January 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Your sources generally look unreliable. You need to show evidence from reliable sources, such as major national news or magazine outlets, that verify the facts you've stated above. I'm not honestly sure that the CFRB Conspiracy Show is that notable. As it stands, your article is still at risk of getting nominated for deletion and I'd struggle to put up a good argument for it to be kept as it currently stands, I'm afraid. Ritchie333 ^(talk) ^(cont) 10:06, 28 January 2013 (UTC)[reply]

How are the sources unreliable? What am I supposed to do, mail you a copy of the CD and tapes of the songs being played in Rock Band? Major News outlets have to write about every band out there? That's pretty outrageous - for all I know they have been. I'm not privy to everything ever written about them, and even if I were, those articles wouldn't necessarily be online anyway. To your second point: even if the Conspiracy Show isn't that notable, there's still Rock Band to consider, which falls under category (1) of notability. Thus they should be included on the site. EasterInTheBatcave (talk) 12:22, 28 January 2013 (UTC)[reply]

When I say "unreliable", I mean that the source should have a reputation of high quality editorial control. Sources do not need to be online - a book or a magazine source that cites its ISBN number is acceptable. All we require is proof that everything in a Wikipedia article can be backed up by something that can be trusted to be unbiased, and at the moment, all we can prove is the band exists, not necessarily that it's notable. Let's take a specific example : "The band is noted for having two songs in the Rock Band video game series: "Nihilanth" and "Absolute," the former being one of the hardest guitar songs in the game." The only word we have that the band is noted (by whom?), and that one of their songs is difficult (in whose opinion?), is Rock Band themselves, who would be expected to say that, and a YouTube video. Pretty much anybody can upload a YouTube video and say what they like, so it's generally unacceptable as a source. Do bear in mind that notability is only a guideline, whereas verifiability is a policy - if nothing in an article is verifiable, it can be removed. If that applies to the entire article, it can be deleted. Ritchie333 ^(talk) ^(cont) 13:54, 28 January 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Okay, thank you for the detailed answer. When I get home tonight I will hunt for more sources. EasterInTheBatcave (talk) 17:10, 28 January 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Interview

Okay, I added a band interview which mentions The Conspiracy Show involvement. Is that acceptable?

EasterInTheBatcave (talk) 12:31, 28 January 2013 (UTC)[reply]

That's a magazine reference, so on first glance it looks good, but You Think and You Think (magazine) don't have articles on Wikipedia, which immediately makes me suspicious about the source. Ritchie333 ^(talk) ^(cont) 13:58, 28 January 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Should I add articles for them? EasterInTheBatcave (talk) 17:11, 28 January 2013 (UTC)[reply]

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