Talk:Kidnapping of Abilio Diniz

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Did you know... that in the Brazilian kidnapping of Abílio dos Santos Diniz the kidnappers were of various nationalities, including two Canadian university students?

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Sympathetic sources?

During the early 1990s, Christine Lamont and David Spencer were lionized as heros by the Canadian left and most of the press. Obviously, a lot of Lamont's supporters were disillusioned by her eventual confession, but there must still be some sources that treat her more favorably. If anyone can find them (I've failed with Google), we should add them in to give the article balance. David 20:23, 3 August 2006 (UTC)[reply]

I didn't find sympathetic sources, but added that it was to fund the FMLN, which was fighting a very nasty dictatorship at the time. The FMLN has since become a mainstream political party in El Salvador. I also removed the terrorist stuff, because that's a mischaracterization, whether you lean left or right. bobanny 08:33, 12 August 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Developed Countries ?

I used to think that Brazil, which is a "developing" country, would be much more corrupt than Canada. But Christine Lamont was freed because she comes from a very rich and influential family, something that few in Canada coment. Is Canada "less corrupt" or does it simply hide its corruption? Money is everything in this World... (Nothing against Canada... On the contrary)

"...she comes from a very rich and influential family"

Christine does not come from a "VERY rich and influential family". Her father is/was a tireless surgeon who served the community in which he lived and did what he could to get his daughter out of Brazil. Granted he had resources at his disposal to fly to Brazil and Ottawa to lobby on behalf of his daughter but continued practicing as a surgeon to fund these efforts (hardly a very rich individual). Her family went through a lot of agony during the ordeal, I hope they can learn from it and move forward. Labeling her family (with any label), is really unfair and biased. They are people who got caught up in a bad situation because of a bad decision made by one of the members of that family - something that many people make, poor, rich, influential, etc, etc...

As a Canadian, I apologize to Brazilians and Brazil for the view that I too held about so called developing nations. I hold the belief that we are all one.

I felt guilt because a nation like Brazil, which is trying to establish stability and safety for its citizens, was some how being undermined by our attitudes. I'm sure Canadians felt that we were somehow above this sort of behaviour (ie. corruption, injustice etc). And I am certain Canadians do not have the monopoly on this sort of superior attitude about themselves (this is something all of us have to fight against). I hope that Brazilians and the Brazilian government can see it in its way to forgive us.

Christine admitted and took responsibility for her actions in Brazil - which is probably all the Brazilian courts wanted. Taking responsibility is really the road to redemption and salvation. Was Christine’s admission sincere? She alone will only know. For her sake, I hope so. For anyone who has made a mistake in life, they will know that this is really a huge step. Perhaps this is the 'favourable' light that the above writer was hoping to find. Cheers! Wikipedia_V.I. 23:49, 21 March 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Well, yeah, sure Canadians have stereotyped views of the developing world, but if you read the Saturday Night article by Isabel Vincent, she expands her point which was that Lamont and Spencer, like other comparatively rich and privileged prisoners in Brazil, got the luxury treatment. For most people who experience the inside of a Brazilian prison, it's a hellish nightmare. And it's not our attitudes that make them that way. bobanny 08:43, 12 August 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Expanded the article to include more information. L.J. Brooks 15:10, 8 May 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Article in Portugese

This article in Portugese has the names of all the kidnappers I think... its in portugese. Can someone who speaks the language confirm? -- Esemono (talk) 13:41, 26 March 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Merging David Spencer and Christine Lamont into this article

The two articles have basically the same text as this article. Also except for a few personal details both articles are almost carbon copies of each other. Plus they are a classic case of WP:BLP1E (An article bio who is notable for only one thing) so I'm suggesting moving the articles to this one.

MERGE - As per above-- Esemono (talk) 01:43, 4 April 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Done -- Esemono (talk) 11:07, 11 April 2009 (UTC)[reply]

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But why was he kidnapped?

But why was Abilio Diniz kidnapped? There is no mention in the lead section of what makes the victim a kidnapping target. Surely the fact that he is "... the principal shareholder of Brazil's largest supermarket chain ..." and, presumably, a wealthy man. Also, according to the Abilio Diniz article, part of the motive for the kidnapping was "... to raise money for Sandinista guerrillas". This is important information that needs to be highlighted in the first sentence or at least the opening paragraph. - Cameron Dewe (talk) 03:22, 8 October 2022 (UTC)[reply]