Talk:Khaybar Khaybar ya yahud

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This is incorrect. "The slogan was coined in the late 1980s during the First Intifada by Ahmed Yassin, founder of the militant Palestinian Islamist organization Hamas."

Here's a video of Egyptian Islamic Jihad using the slogan in the early 1980s. At the very end of the video (8:36-8:41)

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AY3nM9I19c4 Optimusmx (talk) 03:26, 2 December 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Not done: it's not clear what changes you want to be made. Please mention the specific changes in a "change X to Y" format and provide a reliable source if appropriate. —TechnoSquirrel69 (sigh) 06:13, 2 December 2023 (UTC)[reply]

"Slaughtered the Jews of the Khaybar oasis"

In the sentence of the lead which reads "The chant refers to the seventh-century Battle of Khaybar in which Muslims led by Muhammad slaughtered the Jews of the Khaybar oasis, in present-day Saudi Arabia." the bolded wording should not be used.

The Jews of Khaybar were not slaughtered. The source provided, the ADL (which is not a great source for information regarding a 7th century battle), phrases it that way but the Wikipedia page for the Battle of Khaybar does not and I doubt many reliable sources about the battle would do so as there was no massacre or anything like that.

It would be better phrased as "The chant refers to the seventh-century Battle of Khaybar between the Muslims led by Muhammad and the Jews of the Khaybar oasis."

IOHANNVSVERVS (talk) 04:03, 10 December 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Agreed. Makeandtoss (talk) 08:40, 10 December 2023 (UTC)[reply]

@TheDoodbly: Historiography does not frame the battle as an "attack" but as a confrontation. Care elaborating on your edit? [1] Makeandtoss (talk) 14:14, 1 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]

If you want to be that picky about the wording, I can detail it a bit more, but I don't exactly see what was so controversial about it. A battle begins with an attack; I highly doubt that Muhammad's army marched on Khaybar to just stand there and do nothing at all. In the context of this chant, in particular (which is what this article is about), that's the whole point. Just in case (for anyone else reading this): I'm not the one who made the "slaughtered" edit, nor did I agree with it. TheDoodbly (talk) 23:25, 1 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]

As you said, a battle begins with an attack; but a battle is not just an attack, as the previous version portrayed. I agree with your latest edit and will just separate the two paragraphs. Makeandtoss (talk) 15:27, 2 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]

The casualties in the Battle of Khaybar were: 93 Jews, 18 muslims, and 50 injured between parties.

Let's not forget that the tribes of Khaybar contributed to the organising and populating an army of 10,000 with intent to genocide the muslims of Medina. They went even as far as recruiting the Jewish Tribes within Medina whom already had a Peace and Mutual defence treaty with the Muslims, thus breaking it to aide in genociding the Muslims. Bro The Man (talk) 10:40, 2 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

The Residents of Khaybar were ~10,000, they skirmished and lost. No Massacre occurred at the behest of the Muslims.

The Massacre of Banu Qurayza occured when Banu Qurayza appointed their own judge to adjudicate the punishment of their betrayal, and the judge sentenced in accordance with Jewish law thus the massacre of healthy military aged men and then expulsion of the tribe. Bro The Man (talk) 10:43, 2 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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"... though it has been invoked during Islamist terrorist attacks as well."
No ref is cited for this passage, and the section further down which purports to do so states that it was said in a court proceeding, not "during" any terrorist attack. This is clear Islamophobic POV pushing. 142.126.140.83 (talk) 02:19, 28 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

I agree Bro The Man (talk) 10:35, 2 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]