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Tried my level best as per my knowledge to make the article as per standard of Wikipedia, --Baloch Baba (talk) 22:17, 6 July 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Sourcing

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I think the article needs more references to secondary sources. Our relevant policy says: " Wikipedia articles usually rely on material from reliable secondary sources. ... Reliable tertiary sources can help provide broad summaries of topics that involve many primary and secondary sources and may help evaluate due weight, especially when primary or secondary sources contradict each other." Borsoka (talk) 02:16, 19 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Hi again Borsoka. Sorry, I'm not sure I follow, majority are secondary sources, no? HistoryofIran (talk) 02:21, 19 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Oh, my bad. I counted all references to Noelle-Karimi as a reference to tertiary sources. Sorry for the misunderstanding. Borsoka (talk) 03:30, 19 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]

GA Review

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Nominator: HistoryofIran (talk · contribs) 01:54, 24 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Reviewer: Borsoka (talk · contribs) 03:59, 19 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]

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    A. It contains a list of all references (sources of information), presented in accordance with the layout style guideline:
    B. Reliable sources are cited inline. All content that could reasonably be challenged, except for plot summaries and that which summarizes cited content elsewhere in the article, must be cited no later than the end of the paragraph (or line if the content is not in prose):
    C. It contains no original research:
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  3. Is it broad in its coverage?
    A. It addresses the main aspects of the topic:
    B. It stays focused on the topic without going into unnecessary detail (see summary style):
  4. Is it neutral?
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Image review

  • File:Shahzada Kamran Durrani.jpeg: the source is a dead link; US PD tag is needed.
Added US PD tag, but I'm not sure what to about the link part. I might be able to find the image on a random website, but I'm not sure if that will help. --HistoryofIran (talk) 01:12, 26 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]
  • File:Shah Mahmud.png: the source is a dead link; US PD tag is needed.
Added US PD tag, but I'm not sure what to about the link part. I might be able to find the image on a random website, but I'm not sure if that will help. --HistoryofIran (talk) 01:12, 26 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]
  • File:Mohammad Shah.jpg: source and US PD tag are needed.
I've replaced it with another image (a photo taken in the Golestan Museum), which I've added the US PD tag to. --HistoryofIran (talk) 01:12, 26 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]
  • File:Qajar lacquer book cover, attributable to Muhammad Ismail, Qajar Iran, circa 1865, depicting the preparation of the siege of Herat.jpg: US PD tag is needed.
Added US PD tag. --HistoryofIran (talk) 01:12, 26 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Unfortunately there is a severe lack of (good) maps. However, I have one currently in the works. --HistoryofIran (talk) 15:00, 25 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]
I've added one now, replacing the image of Mahmud Shah Durrani, thoughts? --HistoryofIran (talk) 16:41, 26 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Source review

  • Academic sources of high quality are cited. The article is mainly verified by secondary sources, although tertiary sources are also cited.
  • Lee (2019): place of publication is missing; does Reaktion Books publishe peer reviewed studies? Borsoka (talk) 04:05, 19 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]
I'm not sure. I was originally skeptical of the reliability and quality of Jonathan L. Lee's work until I realized it had been published by the University of Chicago Press [1] (which says "Distributed for Reaktion Books") and that he had also published a work under Brill Publishers back in 1996 [2]. --HistoryofIran (talk) 00:59, 26 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Comments

  • For me, following section "Background and early lie" is extremly difficult. Perhaps some major restructuring would help: 1. Infromation about the polities, dynasties and persons mentioned in the article (Iran, Afghanistan, Herat) and their relations. 2. Information about Kamran Mirza's life. 3. Deletion of not highly relevant information, such as details Fateh Khan's capture.
Added more info about the situation, thoughts? --HistoryofIran (talk) 00:54, 26 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]
  • Kamran Mirza is referred to as "prince" in both Afghan and Iranian texts, although they use distinct words. 19th-century Afghan sources use the term "Shahzada Kamran", while the 19th-century Iranian historian Mohammad Taqi Sepehr uses "Kamran Mirza". I would clarify that he was styled as shahzada and mirza, and explain the two terms.
  • Do we know his mother?
Yet another awesome review, thank you Borsoka. I unfortunately couldn't find anything about his mother. --HistoryofIran (talk) 20:47, 21 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]
  • Introduce Kandahar as a city or province.
Done, introduced as a city. --HistoryofIran (talk) 13:39, 25 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]
  • What is the connection between Herat and the Durrani dynasty.
Just part of its domains. I made it a bit clearer with this edit [3]. --HistoryofIran (talk) 13:39, 25 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]
  • ...to stop from pursuing... Rephrase.
Done. I'll have time for the rest in the upcoming weekend. --HistoryofIran (talk) 19:09, 23 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]
  • Who is Fath-Ali Shah?
Added who he was. --HistoryofIran (talk) 14:08, 25 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]
The source unfortunately doesn't talk about this. All we know is that he was a governor of Kandahar at the time and thus had authority over its army. --HistoryofIran (talk) 13:40, 25 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]
  • Split section "Background and early career" into at least two sections.
Done. --HistoryofIran (talk) 20:27, 29 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]
  • ...held onto its weak hold on Herat in despite... Rephrase.
Done. --HistoryofIran (talk) 21:45, 29 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]
  • Once back in Kabul, Kamran Mirza told Mahmud Shah of Fateh Khan's insubordination, the plundering of Herat, and the rape of Mahmud Shah's daughter. Rephrase.
Done. --HistoryofIran (talk) 21:33, 1 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]
  • Kamran Mirza sent messages to Fateh Khan that he came to deliver Mahmud Shah's congratulations... Rephrase.
Done. --HistoryofIran (talk) 21:33, 1 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]
  • His brothers, holding important Durrani governorships, ... Perhaps this info should be previously to explain why Fatuh Khan was not punished soon after the rape of Kamran Mirza's siter.
Yup, added some info about it [4]. --HistoryofIran (talk) 12:10, 2 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]
  • ..., aiming to put an end to the Durrani dynasty I would delete it.
Done. --HistoryofIran (talk) 23:19, 29 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]
  • As a result,... Either delete, or make it clear that the text refers to the rebellion.
Done. --HistoryofIran (talk) 21:33, 1 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]
  • Removed from Herat's fortress by Kamran Mirza... Context? Why did he remove his father?
Couldn't find anything about this unfortunately. --HistoryofIran (talk) 12:01, 2 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]
  • Some info about the allies of father and son?
  • ...during another struggle against his father Some context?
No context given by the source unfortunately. I've reworded it a bit [5]. --HistoryofIran (talk) 16:46, 10 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]
  • ...amongst other things... Delete.
Done. --HistoryofIran (talk) 21:45, 29 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]
  • The latter received an ultimatum from Abbas Mirza at the beginning of 1833 with two options: either have the name of the Iranian shah (king) mentioned on coin engravings and Friday prayers, pay taxes, and release hostages, or relinquish Herat and appear at the Iranian court. Rephrase (shorten and split).
Done. --HistoryofIran (talk) 16:46, 10 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]
  • ...that seeking more would require facing war. Rephrase.
Done. --HistoryofIran (talk) 23:19, 29 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]
  • ...the Russian Empire, who was pressuring him... Rephrase.
Changed "who" to "which". Thoughts? --HistoryofIran (talk) 16:46, 10 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]
  • Operatives?
Changed to representatives. --HistoryofIran (talk) 23:19, 29 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]
  • ...due to the Iranian shah being mentioned on coin engravings and Friday prayers... Delete.
Done. --HistoryofIran (talk) 21:45, 29 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]
  • He insisted that Kamran Mirza abandon the title of shah... We are not previously informed that he adopted the title of shah.
Unfortunately the source didn't go into further detail about this. --HistoryofIran (talk) 16:46, 10 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]
  • ...it was right due to... Rephrase.
Done, was missing a word. "it was his right due to" --HistoryofIran (talk) 21:33, 1 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]
  • Introduce Lash-Juvain, Khaf and Qaen.
Done. --HistoryofIran (talk) 23:19, 29 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]
  • ...interpreted the dispute in terms of his own beliefs. He... Delete.
Done. --HistoryofIran (talk) 21:45, 29 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]
  • ..., despite attesting to its strength... Despite.
Sorry, I'm not sure I understand. --HistoryofIran (talk) 16:46, 10 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]
  • I would shorten section "Second siege of Herat" by at least 15%.

I will have limite access to internet during the next two weeks, so I put the article onhold. Borsoka (talk) 02:32, 29 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Sorry, been a busy week. I should have some time to focus on this in the weekend. HistoryofIran (talk) 12:16, 6 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]

@HistoryofIran: please ping me when you shortened section "Second siege of Herat" (or tell me why you do not accept my proposal). Borsoka (talk) 02:40, 13 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Sorry, but respectfully I think all the info is necessary in that section. There was a lot of info I omitted, since it wasn't really related to Kamran Mirza and more appropriate for the Second Herat War. I think it currently gives a good overview of a complicated conflict we are fortunate to have much info about. HistoryofIran (talk) 22:46, 13 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]
  • Conflict between several of the Iranian commanders hindered the advancement of the siege, including the choice to only block two of Herat's five gates in the first two months by the Iranian prime minister Haji Mirza Aqasi. Rephrase and shorten it.
  • The siege had barely advanced by the spring of 1838. Why past perfect and why "by"?
  • Introduce Ghuriyan as a city.
  • ...after failing to persuade the latter... To what to do?
Clarified, he wanted Mohammad Shah to make peace with Herat. --HistoryofIran (talk) 12:23, 14 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]
  • Introduce Forrest.
Done, introduced him as a historian.
  • ...decline that the Durrani dynasty was going through Simplify.
Done. --HistoryofIran (talk) 12:23, 14 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Ops, I meant brides. Fixed. --HistoryofIran (talk) 12:23, 14 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]
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