Talk:Joseph Holt

Rewrite to fix obvious errors and style problems

Fixed several obvious typos (e.g. "where" for "were") and several clumsy or overlong sentences.

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"Surratt was the first woman in American history to be executed."

This claim is clearly false and was deleted. The "Espy File" of executions in America records 279 women executed before Mrs. Surratt, going back to the 1630s.

http://www.deathpenaltyinfo.org/ESPYyear.pdf {bad link}

--Rich Rostrom (Talk) 02:25, 26 August 2007 (UTC)

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Mary Elizabeth Jenkins Surratt (1820 or May 1823 – July 7, 1865) was convicted of taking part in the conspiracy to assassinate President Abraham Lincoln. Sentenced to death, she was hanged, becoming the first woman executed by the United States federal government. While other women, white, native and Africans had been executed since 1632 in local and state incidents, Surratt was the first woman executed by the federal government.
Sources:
Gillespie, L. Kay. Executed Women of the 20th and 21st Centuries. Lanham, Md.: University Press of America, 2009. See page 152.
Griffin, John Chandler. Abraham Lincoln's Execution. Gretna, La.: Pelican Publishing Co., 2006. See page 68.
O'Shea, Kathleen. Women and the Death Penalty in the United States, 1900-1998: Praeger Publishing, 1999. See page 101.
Jrcrin001 (talk) 15:23, 5 June 2013 (UTC)

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Relevance of inquiry into General Dyer

In 1868 Gen'l Holt presided over a special inquiry into the activities of General Alexander Dyer, then Chief of Ordnance. I'm not sure if this is worth mentioning, but it's somewhat interesting in that General Dyer requested the inquiry himself as to exonerate his name. Rsemmes92 (talk) 17:25, 28 February 2023 (UTC)

Were there two separate conspiracies?

On the whole, this is a very well-written article about Holt, but I have to object to the assertion (in the section on the assassination trial) that "Holt and Burnett tried to obscure...that there were two conspiracies." Of course, it's a fact that Booth's original idea was to kidnap Lincoln, not exactly to kill him, but can we say that this was a separate conspiracy? As a legal question, I think not. The people that Booth recruited to abduct Lincoln were mostly the same people he organized to kill Lincoln, Seward and Johnson. While two of the original conspirators dropped out of the plotting, the rest did not. They continued to work with Booth and (except for George Atzerodt) did NOT demur when Booth made the very late change in plans for assassination rather than abduction. Lewis Powell ("Paine"), David Herold, and Dr. Mudd were all involved from late in 1864 right through to the night of Lincoln's death and the attack on Seward. Mrs. Surratt was arguably just as involved over the same period of months. Booth's gang was conspiring against Lincoln the whole time, and as Edwin Steers points out in "Blood on the Moon," the kidnapping of Lincoln might very well have resulted in his death. This was not going to be like Patty Hearst and the SLA, boys and girls!! No, I would say there was ONE conspiracy, that was hostile to Lincoln from the beginning, but evolved from a plan for abduction into a plan of assassination. Booth originated the conspiracy and headed it the whole time; he changed the plan, and most of the gang fell right in line. So how can anyone justify the idea that there were "two" plans or plots? I don't think Holt and Burnett twisted any facts in that regard. 167.102.146.2 (talk) 17:17, 29 October 2024 (UTC)