Talk:Joseph Cinqué

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Christian Burial?

I have read on a few accounts that Cinque renounced the faith. The story of him as a slave trader seems to be out of spite. One will never know. Cinque was NOT A SLAVE TRADER!!!! —Preceding unsigned comment added by 24.149.80.70 (talk) 23:08, 23 September 2008 (UTC)[reply]

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Could somebody re-word this to more accurately reflect what the source actually says, please?

Our article currently says:
. Although some of the Africans associated with the Amistad probably did engage in the slave trade upon their return, most historians agree that the allegations of Cinqué's involvement are not substantiated.[citation]

But it seems to me that what the source actually says is something more like:
Although some of the Africans associated with the Amistad probably did engage in the slave trade upon their return, given the nature of the regional economy at the time, this author agrees with historian Jones 1987 article that the allegations of Cinqué's involvement seem implausible in view of the lack of evidence, and the unlikeliness of a conspiracy of silence leaving no traces.[citation]

That seems rather different from what we have. For instance it's 'not guilty' rather than 'not proven' ('unsubstantiated'), but it's also unclear what 'most historians' think, as we are only told that Jones had to reply to several historians. But I'm not sure how to re-word the article myself, so I would prefer to ask somebody else to try to do so.Tlhslobus (talk) 10:49, 24 October 2017 (UTC)[reply]

On second thoughts I've decided to try my own rewording, and I'll see what happens to it. Tlhslobus (talk) 11:04, 24 October 2017 (UTC)[reply]

Other Wikipedia articles on this subject say that the allegations been mostly dismissed or disproven by historians. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 69.181.193.59 (talk) 23:25, 12 February 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Based on the discussion above it seems appropriate to remove the category African slave traders. I'd be happy to make that edit if you agree.Jsoenyun (talk) 00:50, 2 March 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Category deleted as per discussion above. Jsoenyun (talk) 00:20, 4 May 2021 (UTC)[reply]

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Joseph cinqué

joseph was was born in West Africa he was illegally captured by Portuguese slave traders even through trans-alantic slave trade was illegal he was took across the Atlantic ocean to the Caribbean were he was sold with 110 other slaves. On the 30th of June 1839 onboard the "Amistad" Joseph led a revolt. The Captain and the cook were killed and two slaves were killed during the act and also two sailors escaped Latitaxuba (talk) 16:08, 15 May 2023 (UTC)[reply]

portrait 1839-40

the portrait by N. Jocelyn is listed as being 1839, not 1840. http://en.wiki.x.io/wiki/Nathaniel_Jocelyn Stjohn1970 (talk) 17:41, 19 July 2023 (UTC)[reply]

origins

another discrepancy in the Sun, apart from their claiming that the portrait artist is James Sheffield (the ship's captain?), is the fact that Cinquéz (so spelled in the article) was not Congolese, but from Sierra Leone. Stjohn1970 (talk) 18:04, 19 July 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Change Title to Sengbe Pieh

There is enough information sighting Sengbe Pieh was the original name of the kidnapped individual. Later to be renamed Joseph Cinque before his trial. Sited here: https://www.britannica.com/biography/Joseph-Cinque along with Paul Farmer's historical review of Sengbe Pieh in the book "Fevers, Feuds and Diamonds"

I would argue to refer to his original name in the title, not the name assigned to him before the trial. The good thing is the trial name is noted in the top of the page. Tumblingupward (talk) 00:17, 5 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]