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Wikipedia:Articles_for_deletion/Johnny_Lechner  (aeropagitica)  12:38, 17 March 2006 (UTC)[reply]

He's made national news repeatedly, for god's sake. Sufficiently notable for a wikipedia entry/get over yourselves. He's at least as notable as hamsterdance/pbjtime/etc. 24.181.29.106

--- Mulitple mentions on many national news programs? Sounds notable to me.. Ralph 11May06

I agree. I read an article and decided to look up Johnny Lechner and, sure enough, something was written about him. I say keep it. Johp78
I also agree with this, as he is somehwat of a real life Van Wilder. Let him graduate! RhearnCT
I concur.

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People Magazine

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This article is not accurate. If one reads the issue of time magazine, you will see that Johnny Lechner was not named one of the Hottest Bachelors. In truth, Johnny Lechner was in a different article the followed the hottest Bachelors entitled "Men Who Need a Woman” or something similar to that. In this article he was featured with many other “loveable losers”. The legitimacy of this article should be question. Finally to prove my point if Johnny Lechner was truly named one of the hottest bachelors, why is there no citations or links proving such?


I agree with the above passage. If there is no source proving that indeed Johnny Lechner was one of the Hottest Bacholers, then it must been removed from the articel as stated by Wikipedia in the top of this page.


It repeatedly states online that he'd get a triple major/triple minor in those six fields, but which are which?

"The state passed legislation instituting..."

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"The state passed legislation instituting a so-called "Lechner Law/ slacker tax" on long-term students, so Lechner pays double the standard in-state tuition, essentially covering the entire cost of his education."

Does this sentence not quite make sense to anyone else?

If he pays double the standard tuition, how are his costs being covered at all? —Preceding unsigned comment added by Recoil42 (talk • contribs) 20:32, 5 September 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Because then he does not get as much of a discount as outher in-state students. It is not HIS cost that is being covered but the cost of his education to the state. Bunnygod888 10:19, 8 October 2007 (UTC)[reply]

We need cites

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66.168.50.67 has been repeatedly inserting the following claims into the article:

  • Lechner has been (only) attending Whitewater since high school graduation in 1994.
  • He was named one of People magazine's Hottest Bachelors.

I cannot find a cite for the second, and the first is specifically contradicted by the cite in the article that discusses how, after high school, Lechner attended the University of Wisconsin's Waukesha campus for a year before transferring to Whitewater. (PS - IP editor, I see that you are in Wisconsin. It doesn't matter whether you're Lechner's mother, girlfriend, best friend, or the man himself; we need cites from reliable sources for changes to the article. It's the Wikipedia way. YLee (talk) 22:02, 28 April 2010 (UTC)[reply]

I found the People cite and added it to the article. No change on the only-Whitewater claim unless we get evidence that overturns the cited article. YLee (talk) 22:12, 28 April 2010 (UTC)[reply]

66.168.50.67 is again reverting my edits and I don't want to hit WP:3RR. IP editor, please, let us discuss this here. YLee (talk) 04:07, 29 April 2010 (UTC)[reply]

can we use his website as a cite on this.
FAQ page http://www.johnnylechner.com/FAQ.htm
What college do you go to?
I originally enrolled in some college courses at the University of Wisconsin-Waukesha while I was still in High school. I have been attending the University of Wisconsin-Whitewater since. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 66.168.50.67 (talk) 17:03, 4 May 2010 (UTC)[reply]
I think so, but (assuming that you are Lechner or a friend/relative), I don't know how or whether the conflict-of-interest rules would affect this. Also, unfortunately, the FAQ page is not as straightforward as the madison.com article in the chronology, although it may be possible to rewrite the article to comply with both cites. Any admins who may be reading this, what is your opinion? YLee (talk) 17:18, 4 May 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Normally I would tend to perceive this lengthy reverts as vandalism but in this specific case it seems Mr. Lechner (if we assume it is him) just corrected information about his person. I think we should not make a hot issue of COI here if Mr. Lechner will provide some sources we can use. - Darwinek (talk) 17:46, 4 May 2010 (UTC)[reply]
FYI: Wikipedia policy on subjects of articles editing their own articles. — WCityMike 22:22, 4 May 2010 (UTC)[reply]

With no response from the IP editor I've undone his edits again. For the record, the cite I am basing my changes on is [1], which clearly states that Lechner attended the University of Wisconsin's Waukesha campus for a year after his 1994 high school graduation before transferring to Whitewater. YLee (talk) 03:34, 30 April 2010 (UTC)[reply]

  • Johnny attended courses at UW-Waukesha while STILL in H.S.
This may have been an inaccuracy in the original article. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 66.168.50.67 (talk • contribs) 16:09, 4 May 2010 (UTC) [reply]
That may very well be true, IP editor, but until we have a reliable source saying so, we can't go against a reliable source saying otherwise. The madison.com article specifically says:

After graduating from Waukesha North High School in 1994, Lechner went to UW-Waukesha for a year, then transferred to the 10,000-student UW-Whitewater.

Again, it doesn't matter if you are Johnny Lechner's mother. We cannot put in an edit that goes against a reliable source cite, as it would be original research which is a Wikipedia no-no. YLee (talk) 16:20, 4 May 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Response to third opinion request:
This seems fairly open-and-shut; of the two positions, Ylee is correct. WP:V and WP:RS, after all. Until the material the IP editor is adding has such citations, and especially if they seem to be incorrect, they don't have a place in the article. If the anonymous IP editor keeps reverting you, administrators can assist you here. Wikipedia's concerns about biographical inaccuracy means the BLP noticeboard might end up being of use to you as well. — WCityMike 07:20, 4 May 2010 (UTC)[reply]
I notice, though, that you've never left a (courteous) message for this person on their talk page. Even anonymous IP users will be notified of the waiting message. I'd try that before hitting the boards I linked to. — WCityMike 10:10, 4 May 2010 (UTC)[reply]
I didn't think of it given the IP nature, but you're right; that is an option. I've just done so. YLee (talk) 10:16, 4 May 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Compromise

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I've edited the article to not discuss what college Lechner enrolled at after his high school graduation. It still mentions that Whitewater is the college he is at now, and has been for many years.

I've retained my version of the second paragraph. 1) It contains the People article citation for the "Hot Bachelors" list. 2) The name of the list is "Hot Bachelors," not "Hottest Bachelors." 3) Mentioning the humorous category he and the others in the spread were listed under is important; it would be misleading to say that Lechner qualified on the same basis for the list as Taylor Hicks, Matthew McConaughey, or Jake Gyllenhaal did. YLee (talk) 00:35, 5 May 2010 (UTC)[reply]


      • I am satisfied with the compromise.

Thank you for your time on this. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 66.168.50.67 (talk) 00:59, 5 May 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Great. I've reverted your final edit (which you made before the above comment), as per my discussion above. YLee (talk) 01:24, 5 May 2010 (UTC)[reply]


Why was the latest movie removed? I cited IMDB. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 66.168.50.67 (talk) 01:49, 5 May 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Sorry. I'll restore it. I'm also going to put back the "really, really need a woman" text, though, as per my discussion above; the detail is important. YLee (talk) 01:58, 5 May 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Done. I will reword the "starring role" claim to only apply to Fraternity House as I couldn't find corroboration for saying so for Minor League in the news article or in the IMDb listing. YLee (talk) 02:03, 5 May 2010 (UTC)[reply]


Ylee, I think we've almost got things where they should end. I removed the "really need" extension on the People Magazine article. I read your above point, however, it appears as if we are spending too much time debating less important details. I have been spending the last few edits trying to clean up the information also. Thank you again for your help with this process. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 66.168.50.67 (talk) 02:16, 5 May 2010 (UTC)[reply]

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