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Bradley was not attached to Strank's, etc., platoon

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Just reverted an edit that suggested Bradley accompanied the other five up Suribachi. No, first of all, carefully read the various history books. Bradley was not attached to the same platoon as Strank, etc. He was in another platoon in E Company, and was in fact, already on the top of Suribachi. There is some evidence that he is actually in Lowery's photo of the first flagraising (see caption for that photo). He was up there a couple hours before Gagnon carried the second flag up and gave it to Strank. As he often said, he was just hanging around when asked to jump in and give them a hand raising it. See James Bradley's book, plus Albee and Cushman's book, etc. Sir Rhosis 19:28, 1 October 2007 (UTC)[reply]

PhM2c Bradley and PhM3c Cliford Langley were members of 3rd platoon of E Company. Bradley (without Langley, WIA 2/21/45) was part of the 40-man patrol that went up Mt. Suribachi. Sgt. Strank was in 2nd Platoon, with Ira Hayes, Harlon Block, Franklin Sousley...
Lt. Schrier was in charge of both US flags and is usually shown on Mt. Suribachi with Pfc. Ray Jacobs, a radioman from F Company instead of Gene Marshall, the radioman from E Company who is not shown in the first or second flag-raising photos. Its now known Bradley is shown in first flag-raising photos with some Marines helping to secure the first flag pole since it wouldn't stay straight up in the sand (the 2nd flag pole was wired to stay in place). In one photo Bradley (adjusting the pole with both hands) is mistaken as being Schrier in back of Ernest Thomas who is sitting.
PhM2c Gerald Ziehme was a replacement corpsman for Langley on Feb. 23.[1]
Ziehme was in the 27th Replacement Draft (27th Replacement Battalion). Ziehme said Bradley chose him to go up Suribachi with him. Ziehme has been identified as the 8th person (L to right) of the 16-man, "Gung Ho" photo at the 2nd flag by Joe Rosenthal. Ziehme claimed he stayed overnight on Mt. Suribachi on Feb. 23rd and Bradley didn't, who he said went down to the aid station at the base of Suribachi. Ziehme finished the battle with G/3/26 Marines and was wounded 4 times on Iwo Jima and stayed with the Marines on Iwo Jima to the end. He claimed to have crawled on Iwo Jima carrying wounded Marines on his back as he was trained to do. He was hospitalized after the battle for PTSD. Ziehme, also from Wisconsin, claimed to have visited Bradley four times after the war. Ziehme died on Nov. 10, 2005 (Marine Corps birthday).YahwehSaves (talk) 23:40, 13 May 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Adding Information

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I want to add some more information about John Bradleys post war life. I also wanted to add information about his views on the flag raising that have not already been included in this article. If anyone else has any ideas or comments about this that would be great. Thanks. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Souvlaki14 (talk • contribs) 04:02, 22 March 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Disruptive Edits

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Currently, I am engaging in an edit war with YahwehSaves (Talk | Contribs) and their sock puppet 75.79.31.20 (Talk | Contribs) (which is a common occurrence for their disruptive edits, see their contributions page), for their attempts to add unreferenced and uncited information. One issue is the Combat Action Ribbon, which wasn't awarded until 1969. YahwehSaves continues to add this information, among other unreferenced information, to the page, where I promptly revert the edit & invite them to discuss such edits here at the talk page. It is not my intention to keep factual information from being on this page, but I'm unable to find any references to John Bradley being retroactively awarded the CAR. As such, the edits made by YahwehSaves & 75.79.31.20 will be continue to be reverted if unreferenced. Bullmoosebell (talk) 02:22, 14 June 2012 (UTC)[reply]

  • I have no dog in this pissing match, and know nothing about the ribbons you reference. However, some of the info added by Yahweh... (for example, the fact that Bradley was present at the first flag raising) was from son James Bradley's book (second edition). In fact, most of the info in the article is from that book. It is the definitive source on Doc Bradley. Yet every single bit of info is not directly cited, or referenced. If we did that, we would have a reference after every sentence. Yahweh's grammar needed a hell of a lot of work, and most of his additions were rather clunkily written, but some were good. Sir Rhosis (talk) 23:21, 14 June 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Indeed. However, stating the information derived is from the book is not adequate, especially when original research is introduced. I'm not saying we need to cite-kill the article, but when an edit is made, there is to be references showing the information is factual & accurate. Thus the cite book template (which book, which year-edition, what medium, what page, et cetera). Additionally, this user has been warned & punished previously and is being scrutinized for their continued incorrect, unreferenced, disruptive, and warring edits on various pages. Bullmoosebell (talk) 10:35, 15 June 2012 (UTC)[reply]

  • Understood. It is too bad that he has such a bad reputation, as (ribbons aside), the info he introduced to the Bradley article was solid, if in need of a rewrite for clarity and style. Sir Rhosis (talk) 13:47, 15 June 2012 (UTC)[reply]

I don't really have a bad reputation, not all editors and administrators are good and not all references are good.
Public Law 106-65--October 5, 1999, The Secretary of the Navy may award the Navy Combat Action Ribbon (CAR) to a member of the Navy and Marine for participation in ground combat (Bradley) during any period on or after December 7, 1941. The CAR is one of John Bradley's (wasn't killed in action) decorations and should be listed on his awards list in order of precedence, and not separately as "posthumous" (Bullmoosebell disruptive edit).
Purple Heart Medal (Purple Heart) > was awarded to Bradley (Navy & Marine Corps manual & award lists, "Purple Heart Medal"). YahwehSaves (talk) 04:29, 4 May 2013 (UTC)[reply]

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Its common knowledge that Navy Cross citations (and other citations) were written during World War II with all the letters of the last name of the recipient in capitol letters throughout the citation. Actual citations for a Pharmacist Mate Second Class attached to Marine unit like Bradley, 1944: [2][3][4] Wouldn't have had to do show this except for an editor undoing Bradley's capitalized last name in his citation based on what disruptive editor thinks should be done for Bradley. YahwehSaves (talk) 20:51, 23 April 2014 (UTC)[reply]

I answered you on your talk page, but I see you bring it up here, so I will engage you here. You unnecessarily capitalized Bradley's name in two different places. Please refer to the Wikipedia Manual of Style, specifically MOS:ALLCAPS. While Department of the Navy citations have capitalized the name, Wikipedia does not. Citing "common knowledge" is not the strongest reference for any best practice. It is not what you think it should be nor what I think it should be because, the Wikipedia community has decided, through a consensus based process, that last names in citations should not be in caps. Read the MOS please, it will aid you in understanding why his name should not be in all caps, I am not interested in rehashing a DoN citation. Thanks. EricSerge (talk) 22:49, 23 April 2014 (UTC)[reply]
Perhaps the citation in quote marks matters. YahwehSaves (talk) 23:27, 23 April 2014 (UTC)[reply]
No, please read MOS:Blockquote. You would only add marks if there was a quote within the quote. EricSerge (talk) 14:08, 24 April 2014 (UTC)[reply]
I concur with EricSerge here. The Wikipedia policies are fairly clear on this. — Frεcklεfσσt | Talk 14:15, 24 April 2014 (UTC)[reply]
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