Talk:Joan Is Awful

GA Review

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Reviewer: OlifanofmrTennant (talk · contribs) 04:33, 3 January 2024 (UTC)

I will be preforming this review

Immediate failure

1. Its pretty close to all of the criteria 2. Earwig doesnt bring up and major problems, a few things that come up are quotes that have to be verbatim. 3. No maintence tags. 4. Page is stable, no persistent vandalism . 5. No previous nominations ✓ Pass

Good Article

Well-written

In the lead it says "adapted in real-time into a Streamberry television series" why would Streamberry need to be named in the lead it is a invention for this episode and could potentially cause confusion. I recomend dropping it or replacing it with "streaming"

 Done

The line "Brooker took a break from Black Mirror and worked on more comedic projects." seems to be a bit out of place IMO, mabye it could be combined with the previous one.

 Done ✓ Pass

Verifiable

I have randomly selected sources 36, 50 and 2 for a spot check. (based on this revision

Spotchecks

REF 36

Claim:

Amit Katwala analysed that personalised content posed threats to publications such as Wired, which he was writing in, as they rely on common cultural experiences. Katwala suggested that large language models might then generate personalised articles about the personalised content.

Source:

https://www.wired.com/story/black-mirror-joan-is-awful-click-here/

Proven by source: The article does discuss the rise of personalized content.
Backed up by other sources: Yes various others pose a similar point, several other of these being WIRED but regardless others raise similar points.

REF 50

Claim:

Dray found the "wildly meta" ending to redeem the "meandering middle" parts

Source:

https://www.avclub.com/black-mirror-season-6-tv-review-netflix-charlie-brooker-1850540964

Proven by source: Right in the lead of the article it discusses the formation and the stabs that would need to be taken to continue the series on Netflix.
Backed up by other sources: Given how it is a review, I dont think it needs to be backed up. Regardless Den of Geek describes it similarly here.

REF 2

Claim:

Black Mirror went on hiatus after its fifth series was released in 2019. Its executive producers, Charlie Brooker and Annabel Jones, departed from the production company House of Tomorrow and joined Broke and Bones, leading to negotiations for production rights.

Source:

https://deadline.com/2020/02/black-mirror-charlie-brooker-annabel-jones-launch-broke-and-bones-1202853906/

Proven by source: The article does use both of those terms.
Backed up by other sources: The source was paired with this and this all three discuss the legal issues

• None of the sources used seem unreliable. I question the use of Salon in reception due to its unclear reliability but I dont see that as an issue.

✓ Pass

Broad in coverage

• the Plot Summary is aproximatly 394 words long six under the limit set by WP:MOS/TV. Everywhere else is reasonably detailed with links when applicable.
• The main aspects of the episode, Production, Reception, and Plot are all given sections with a fair amount of content

✓ Pass

Neutral

• Nothing seems to negative or postive. The reception section seems evenly balanced.✓ Pass

Stable

• No edit wars or major vandalsim on the page recently. ✓ Pass

Illustrated

• All images are fairly licensed or public domain. I think everything that could be used is there. The only image that I have an issue with is the Netflix logo. Could you explain that one @Bilorv:? Questions? four Olifanofmrtennant (she/her) 05:12, 3 January 2024 (UTC)
  • Streamberry is mentioned because its parody of Netflix is key to the episode's themes. I've reworded and combined some material in the first two paragraphs of the lead, so it is hopefully now clearer that Streamberry is a fictional streaming service. I've also changed the Netflix logo caption. The point is that "Streamberry" uses the same logo colour and animation (this thing), the same sound design, and the same layout of thumbnails as Netflix. (The logo is free because its simplicity makes it ineligible for copyright, but other aspects like the sound logo would be non-free.)
    Let me know what more changes, if any, need to be made! — Bilorv (talk) 11:12, 3 January 2024 (UTC)
  • By the way, in case you're new to GA reviewing—WP:GAN/I#R3 says "an in-depth review" must include spot-checks and copyright checks. You've mentioned a copyright check above, but make sure to check that the sources are reliable and read some of them to verify claims in the article. — Bilorv (talk) 14:01, 3 January 2024 (UTC)

• Makes sense Questions? four Olifanofmrtennant (she/her) 22:57, 3 January 2024 (UTC).

✓ Pass

On "Brooker took a break ...", I think it'd make the previous sentence too long and complex, but I've added "During this time" to more clearly connect the information. On Rotten Tomatoes: the percentage is mentioned in the first sentence of Reception. On Salon, while RSP mentions "No consensus", we have to look at the use in context. There's no factual claims being made, only attributed opinion (by a professional reviewer), so I think this is an appropriate source use.

If you've got any more feedback, let me know! — Bilorv (talk) 01:42, 4 January 2024 (UTC)

OVERALL

The article is good enough so its a pass. Congratulations. Questions? four Olifanofmrtennant (she/her) 05:44, 4 January 2024 (UTC)

Why British English?

I realize this started as a British series (er, a British show--this anticipates my objection), but it has been on Netflix (an American company) for years, and this particular episode uses mostly American actors and seems to be set in the US.

What I found weird to read (as an American myself) is the sentence "Brooker described 'Joan Is Awful' as the only episode of the series to fit the show's traditional style." For an American to read "the only episode of the series" comes across as describing a unique episode for the show, throughout its entire existence--although this of course becomes nonsensical when you say it's the only one to fit the show's traditional style, an inherent contradiction in terms.

I know the British usage is to say "series" in place of what Americans would call a "season" of television (a group of episodes released either weekly for a few weeks or months, or--in the case of Netflix--released all at once). Whereas for Americans, "series" means all episodes released of a show, from all seasons combined. The thing is, beyond the reasons I noted above to observe American rather than British terminology, it's also just objectively less confusing--and not only from an American-centric perspective. If a British person reads "the only episode of the season..." they will perhaps wrinkle their nose at how "off" this sounds to them, but I don't see much danger of their actually misunderstanding what is meant. Whereas an American reading "the only episode of the series..." can definitely misunderstand. SlackerInc1 (talk) 20:40, 31 March 2024 (UTC)

@SlackerInc1: take a look at MOS:ENGVAR. Within an article, we need to use a variety of English consistently. My opinion is that we should use British English across all Black Mirror articles for consistency. The show was created in Britain for Channel 4 and is primarily written and produced by British people (Brooker and Jones). The production companies are hard to classify easily but each of them (Zeppotron, House of Tomorrow, Broke and Bones) can broadly be construed as producing British TV or having British key figures. Many of the programme's settings are ambiguous but a plurality of those with strong national themes are British (e.g. "The National Anthem", "The Waldo Moment", "Smithereens", "Loch Henry", "Demon 79").

For "Joan Is Awful" specifically, the episode was written by a British person, released by an American-based international conglomerate, and filmed in Britain with a Canadian director, Canadian lead actor and American setting. — Bilorv (talk) 10:24, 1 April 2024 (UTC)