Talk:Jimmy Rushing

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Associated acts

Could you say that an associated act of Jimmy is Dave Brubeck? --Emilhem (talk) 16:33, 5 July 2016 (UTC)[reply]

What does associated act mean? Is it someone of a style at least vaguely comparable or someone with whom the artist actually associated? Nicmart (talk) 01:41, 6 January 2018 (UTC)[reply]

See Template:Infobox_musical_artist#associated_acts. AllyD (talk) 09:20, 6 January 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Birth

According to his gravestone, Mr. Rushing was born in 1903. It seem likely that he and his family would have known his correct year of birth. Nicmart (talk) 17:42, 30 December 2013 (UTC)[reply]

There is so much uncertainty about the year of Rushing's birth, with the man himself apparently giving out different years on different occasions, that I think it should be left unclear in his entry. I have found claims that he was from in 1899, 1901, 1902, and 1903, the year on his gravestone. Nicmart (talk) 20:11, 30 December 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Copyright

A link I posted to a YouTube video was removed. The remover insinuates that the video violates copyright, but he has no proof of that. Just as Google doesn't know if a YouTube video violates copyright unless a request for takedown is received by the copyright owner, no Wikipedia editor could possibly know. If Google establishes that a posted video violates copyright, the video is removed. As it is not possible for a given Wikipedia editor to know if a YouTube violates copyright, it is not possible for someone to judge that the editor who created the link is a violator. Such judgements should be made based on evidence, not assumption. If there is an assumption, it should be that no copyright violation exists until Google makes that determination. Nicmart (talk) 16:49, 11 January 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Copyright is automatic, and does not lapse because a title goes out-of-print. The copyright of the video clearly and unambiguously belongs to Rhino and the uploader said as much (even if the original copyright to the content belongs to someone else, it doesn't lapse or expire). There are countless other examples like this one on YouTube, but that's Google/YouTube's problem – I'm concerned about Wikipedia. Your analogy is comparable to saying that "they're not stolen goods if no one has called the police yet." You don't have to take my word for it, you can get a second opinion at WP:ELN, but before you do that I strongly suggest that you read WP:YT, WP:ELNEVER (which specifies "This is particularly relevant when linking to sites such as Scribd or YouTube, where due care should be taken to avoid linking to material that violates copyright") and WP:COPYLINK, as well as the YouTube section at Wikipedia:External links/Perennial websites. -- Gyrofrog (talk) 20:13, 11 January 2014 (UTC)[reply]

What you have written is false. A copyright can be licensed for a given time -- say to Rhino -- and then the agreement expires. Rhino may have produced a product using video that was in the public domain, or whose copyright was ambiguous. It may never have licensed the copyright, but merely obtained permission to reproduce. There are many scenarios. The law is no different for linking to videos than it is for linking to documents, so I don't understand why you aren't sending warnings to the people who have created millions of links to web pages with printed material that might be assumed to be copyrighted. YouTube is no different than the New York Times. Why do you think items of ScribD are more problematic than those on the web site for the Washington Post or countless other copyrighted web sites? Do you think I can find that you have linked to copyrighted pages yourself? Is your Chris Conner link to AllMusic definitely not a copyright violation? The page says, "All Rights Reserved" at the bottom. Once again, it is virtually impossible for anyone to know if a YouTube video is copyrighted. Google doesn't claim to know, and it doesn't get sued for not knowing. It depends on notification of claimed copyright holders who provide proof before removing a video. Rarely does a Wikipedia editor know more about a video's copyright than Google does. Nicmart (talk) 00:16, 12 January 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Again: You don't have to take my word for it, you can get a second opinion at WP:ELN. Nothing I previously wrote is unusual or innovative and it's why other Wikipedians went to the trouble to write WP:YT, WP:ELNEVER, WP:COPYLINK and Wikipedia:External links/Perennial websites. -- Gyrofrog (talk) 00:26, 12 January 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Is it your contention that every link to a possibly commercial YouTube video that MIGHT be a copyright violation should be deleted from Wikipedia? This must number in the millions. That is clearly not strictly enforced by Wikipedia since the links exist and are not removed. Nicmart (talk) 21:09, 14 November 2014 (UTC)[reply]

You might as well suggest that we not make grammar corrections, or fix bad links, or remove vandalism, etc. because those things must number in the millions. ~~Again: You don't have to take my word for it, you can ask for a second opinion at WP:ELN.~~ (Never mind, I see that you did.) You might also want to read WP:ELBURDEN. -- Gyrofrog (talk) 22:15, 14 November 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Discrepancy

Rushing is quoted as started singing in 1924, but it also states he toured the midwest singing blues in 1923-1924. Please clarify.

69.78.223.102 (talk) 19:19, 15 July 2014 (UTC)Kenjf01@gmail.com[reply]

Reference 2

"Other sources (e.g., AllMusic) give 1903 as the year of his birth." The biography of Rushing at Allmusic.com (accessed May 26, 2017), by Richard S. Ginell, does not mention Rushing's date of birth. If there is another source (as implied by "e.g.") it should be cited here, because it seems that Allmusic is no longer a source of this claim. Jwicklatz (talk) 07:24, 26 May 2017 (UTC)[reply]

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Blues shouter

I don't think the term fits Rushing, and the entry includes a couple of references suggesting he was not. I think that limiting description should be removed in the absence of evidence that any authoritative person is quoted as saying he was. Nicmart (talk) 17:22, 18 April 2019 (UTC)[reply]

I modified the opening description, and mentioned later that some have called him a blues shouter. Nicmart (talk) 06:21, 25 July 2019 (UTC)[reply]