Talk:Jesse Pinkman

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Notability

The difference between this article and Walter White (Breaking Bad) is that this article is almost entirely written from an in-universe point of view. Articles on fictional characters must contain some evidence of real-world notability, as the Walter White article does (e.g., the "Development" and "Reviews" sections). The Emmy Awards won by the actor who plays this character are worthy of mention, but they confer notability on the actor, not the character. I'll leave this article alone and watch it from a distance for the time being, but if no evidence of real-world notability is provided soon, it may be nominated for deletion by me or someone else. —KuyaBriBri^Talk 14:49, 2 August 2011 (UTC)[reply]

I have also requested that this page be moved to Jesse Pinkman. —KuyaBriBri^Talk 14:55, 2 August 2011 (UTC)[reply]

I have added a Development section as requested--InExcelsisDeo (talk) 15:29, 2 August 2011 (UTC)[reply]

I've been asked to chime in here by KuyaBriBri. First of all, the easy question: Yes, the article should be moved to Jesse Pinkman rather than Jesse Pinkman (Breaking Bad), no doubt about it. Walter White (Breaking Bad) is only so-named to disambiguate it from other Walter Whites. With regard to the article, I've been doing lots of research on Breaking Bad lately with the plans to bring Wikipedia articles related to the show up to a superior quality. I began work on the Walter White article, but I still have a lot of work to do on it. Regarding Jesse Pinkman, I am 100 percent positive that the character is worthy of its own Wikipedia article, although the current article is not up to par yet because it's entirely plot summary. I had planned to work on the Jesse article myself eventually, but not break it out into its own article until I could include sufficient sections like "Casting", "Development", "Reception", "Awards", etc. I think the original author might have jumped the gun a bit and made the article a bit prematurely, but I do believe the subject is notable enough for an article. A few examples of some sources I've been saving on Jesse include here, here, here, here, here. So with all that said, I guess I feel this current article is lacking, but that Jesse is notable and the article can be improved. I hadn't planned on working on this article until I improved the Walter White one a bit more, but if necessary I could try to work on Jesse a little sooner to bring it up to speed. — Hun ter Ka hn 15:32, 2 August 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Also support the page move only started as Jesse Pinkman (Breaking Bad) becuase the Walter White page was like that. --InExcelsis Deo 16:12, 2 August 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Aunt's Name

Episode subtitles spell her name as Ginny instead of Jenny. Amber Workman aka Ambiesushi (talk) 06:13, 2 August 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Born in September?

When is Jesse's birthday mentioned in the series? This article says he was born in September, but I don't remember seeing or hearing that in the show. 137.43.163.48 (talk) 11:05, 19 January 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Nevermind, I found it. 137.43.163.37 (talk) 13:40, 29 January 2015 (UTC)[reply]

The character's birthdate has never been mentioned (not in-universe, nor by any actors or writers involved in the franchise). Jericho735 (talk) 05:27, 25 September 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Removing unrelated categories

I'm looking at the categories for this page, and there are a ton that don't apply. Going down the list: - "Fictional assassins" doesn't really fit, as Jesse, while he has killed someone, is not really an assassin or treated like one in the Breaking Bad universe. - "Fictional gangsters" doesn't fit either. Jesse is a drug dealer, but he's certainly not a "gangster", given that he's not in a gang. - "Fictional mobsters" doesn't work, as Jesse is not part of the mob. - "Fictional slave" - The only thing I think this could refer to is Jesse time in captivity in the final episodes of BB, but that's maybe 3 episodes and being in captivity =/= slavery. I guess if you squint you can see it, but it seems like much too much of a stretch for me.

Unless there are any objections, I'm planning on eliminating these four categories from this page, for the aforementioned reasons above. Thanks. Stavd3 (talk) 01:23, 25 August 2020 (UTC)[reply]

I have reverted your edit because Jesse does fit these categories. Jesse has been a part of at least 3 crime syndicates, first as an uneasy associate of Tuco Salamanca and the Juárez-Michoacán cartel, then the Albuquerque Mafia under Gus Fring, and Walter White's drug empire, which is equal in scale to a Mafia-styled organization engaging in drug trafficking and contract killing, not unlike the Albuquerque Mafia Gustavo Fring ran previously. This definitely makes him qualify as a mobster. Further supporting this, he is also listed as a "fictional underboss", which is a rank and position held by the second-in-command of a gang or mob-like organizaiton. Jesse is a hitman, as he's assassinated at least two people on orders from both Walter White and Gus Fring, and killed three other criminal enemies for his own personal motives. Jesse is also enslaved by the neo-Nazi gang under leader Jack Welker and his nephew Todd Alquist at the end of season 5, even if it's illegal slavery and not state sanctioned like it has been in many parts of the world historically.

These are free to be debated, but they seem pretty set in stone and justified by content of the show itself and the movie followup El Camino. If you disagree with this decision and wish to debate it, I suggest you do so on this talk page. If you're going to remove multiple important categories, I would recommend you please ask before doing it again. Thank you. Titanoboa Constrictor (talk) 14:56, 3 September 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Inclusion in categories like this on Wikipedia need to be non-diffusional, that is, the topic must clearly belong to them, and not just because we can stretch certain definitions to make them work. When we are talking fictional characters we need to consider the character's entire arc and not just segments of the character. Take "Fictional assassins". A character like Agent 47 clearly belongs here - this is what they are assigned to do every game/mission. While Jesse was forced to kill two people under orders, that by no means makes him an assassin in terms of a profession, so that is a diffuse entry into the category, and thus not apply. Neither are the other three. As a counter example, Jesse is a fictional drug user and drug dealer - that's well established through the entire show and not just a couple events, so those categories are appropriate, and including him in those is non-diffuse. --Masem (t) 16:27, 3 September 2020 (UTC)[reply]

You raise valid points in regards to your first three arguments. I only disagree in regards to Jesse being a member of a gang or crime syndicate. Gus Fring's Albuquerque Mafia and Walter White's drug empire definitely meet the definition of either a gang or a cartel, or both. If "Fictional mobsters" does not fit, would "fictional gangsters" be more fitting? I should also mention Walter White, Mike Ehrmantraut, and Gus Fring all belong to the "Fictional mobsters" category and this so far has not been disputed, but Jesse may be a different variation of a fictional criminal despite working closely with the other three throughout the series. Would "Fictional gangsters" suffice, or do you still disagree? I have reverted your edit for now, but am open to helping you reinstate it, perhaps with modifications more of us can agree on. Thank you for being a part of this discussion. Titanoboa Constrictor (talk) 17:34, 3 September 2020 (UTC)[reply]

What Gus' drug organization is is never well established but I would not call it a "mafia" (they aren't ever called that in the show), so gangsters or mobsters doesn't fit at all. Walter's "drug empire" is not a mafia organization either, so applying mobster or gangster to that also doesn't apply. He is a drug dealer, yes, and career criminal, and he has murdered (willing killed, even under duress) people, so he is a murderer. Again, categories have to be "obvious" and not these stretches of definition that you're coming up with here. --Masem (t) 17:49, 3 September 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Thank you for correcting me in regards to proper categorization edit on Wikipedia. While I have been editing for a little over a year now, this is something I admittedly did not fully grasp and am still learning. I thought that definitions were based on every single story detail and action a character committed, rather than strictly more obvious and consistent definitions. I should mention, however, Gus Fring's drug organization is sometimes referred to as the "Albuquerque Mafia" in official promotional material for the show, describing Gus' position and organization. At the very least, if not a mob family type organization, it is definitely a cartel and therefore a gang.

Walter White's organization while less wide scale and shorter in it's reign, also has membership large enough to be considered a gang or a cartel. Furthermore, Jesse is already categorized under "Fictional underbosses", which is exclusively a position in a criminal organization. Saul Goodman is also categorized under "Fictional consiglieri", which is also a position in a criminal organization derived from Italian Mafia terminology, despite not exclusively being used for that specific type of ethnic gang nowadays. So far, I think Jesse Pinkman's status as a gang member or mobster is a debatable grey area, and I think it feels odd that many characters he worked closely alongside in the underworld throughout the series, such as Walter White, Gustavo Fring, Mike Ehrmantraut, and Saul Goodman are all listed as some variation of "Fictional crime bosses" "Fictional mobsters", "Fictional gangsters" or terms related to membership in such organizations, while Jesse who worked directly for them and with them is not, when going with the idea you initially have proposed. I hope you can understand my counterargument and why I am skeptical of removing every single one of these categories, particularly those involving Jesse's possible membership in a gang or criminal syndicate. I also do think Jesse qualifies as a fictional slave, because the description for the category itself mentions human trafficking and criminal/illegal scenarios as counting as slavery. However, on the contrary, this by no means describes Jesse's entire character, despite being a significant part of his story towards the end of the show and in El Camino. Given this information, perhaps it may be best to exclude the category of "Fictional slaves" after all. Thank you for the healthy debate and being willing to reason with me. I hope we can reach a consensus multiple editors, us included, can agree on in the end.