Talk:Island of Stroma

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Date	Process	Result
August 17, 2014	Good article nominee	Listed
October 9, 2014	Featured article candidate	Not promoted

A fact from this article appeared on Wikipedia's Main Page in the "Did you know?" column on January 3, 2014.

The text of the entry was: Did you know ... that the Scottish island of Stroma was inhabited for thousands of years but was abandoned in 1962, with the last islanders leaving their houses (pictured) to fall into ruin?

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Fabulous!

What a great article, interesting, and such a pleasure to read. Well done to everyone concerned! 62.7.177.190 (talk) 10:54, 3 January 2014 (UTC)[reply]

@Prioryman:: I agree with the above anonymous reader- what an absolutely fantastic read; I do hope this is aimed at GAC and then FAC. If I may offer a quick suggestion, your referencing is a little inconsistent. "Haswell-Smith (2004)" is never spelled out in full; there are multiple references to merely "Omand" with no date, despite the fact you cite two different works by Omand; sometimes you'll spell out the entire reference on each occasion when you're citing a different page, sometimes not (you do both with Ritchie); "Low" is never spelt out (do you perhaps mean "Owen and Lowe"?). Could I perhaps recommend splitting off those sources which will be referenced in more than one footnote to a "Sources cited" section? This will also prevent the problem that exists with the Bathurst source where you refer to "Bathurst" before you've spelt out the source. Anyway, just a little thing, the article itself looks fantastic. J Milburn (talk) 14:02, 3 January 2014 (UTC)[reply]

My thoughts exactly. I can fix some of these references issues and will have a go if time permits. Ben Mac Dui 14:22, 3 January 2014 (UTC)[reply]

The Omand refs are ambiguous and I don't have the sources but the remainder are (I think) either fixed or QED. Ben Mac Dui 15:35, 4 January 2014 (UTC)[reply]

GA Review

This review is transcluded from Talk:Stroma, Scotland/GA1. The edit link for this section can be used to add comments to the review.

Reviewer: J Milburn (talk · contribs) 11:27, 14 August 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Happy to offer a review.

Thanks for taking it on! Comments below. Prioryman (talk) 22:02, 16 August 2014 (UTC)[reply]

"the most recent occurring in 1993" Firstly, this could quickly become out of date, and, secondly, you may be accused of recentism. How about something like "with significant incidents taking place in year a, year b and year c".

I've reworded this as "in January 1993, the Danish coaster Bettina Danica ran aground off the southern end of Stroma." Prioryman (talk) 22:02, 16 August 2014 (UTC)[reply]

"who uses it to graze the cattle and sheep which are now its only occupants." This isn't strictly true, as there are wild animals as well.

Good point, I've reworded this. Prioryman (talk) 22:02, 16 August 2014 (UTC)[reply]

"The eastern side of the island has a pronounced easterly or south-easterly dip which increases from around 3 degrees in the centre of the island to about 30 degrees on the east coast." I don't follow this- it seems a little technical?

Reworded as "The eastern side of the island slopes downward in an easterly or south-easterly direction, with the angle of the slope increasing from around 3 degrees in the centre of the island to about 30 degrees on the east coast", which hopefully is clearer. Prioryman (talk) 22:02, 16 August 2014 (UTC)[reply]

"Middle Old Red Sandstone" Worth a redlink? We have Old Red Sandstone

I've linked Old Red Sandstone - probably not really worth a redlink though. Prioryman (talk) 22:02, 16 August 2014 (UTC)[reply]

"Cist-like structures which the islanders called "Picts' Beds" are also found on the island, notably in the north near Nethertown harbour where they are located in conjunction with middens from which animal bones and shells are eroding out." Could this be rephrased? I don't follow.

Reworded as "Structures similar to cists, which the islanders called "Picts' Beds", are also found on the island. Notable examples can be seen in the north near Nethertown. They are located near middens from which animal bones and shells are eroding out." Prioryman (talk) 22:02, 16 August 2014 (UTC)[reply]

"and their roof—slates, are in much" Surely, this is the wrong kind of dash?

Well spotted, fixed. Prioryman (talk) 22:02, 16 August 2014 (UTC)[reply]

One confusion I have concerns when people stopped living on the island. You write that "The Mansons finally left Stroma on 6 December 1962, bringing to an end thousands of years of permanent habitation on the island.[54]" But further down, you say that lighthouse keepers and their families lived on the island?

No contradiction. The lighthouse keepers and their families were temporary inhabitants who only stayed there for a while during their postings. Prioryman (talk) 22:02, 16 August 2014 (UTC)[reply]

File:Stroma OS map.png could do with slightly clearer sourcing information.

Could you clarify what additional info needs to be there? Prioryman (talk) 22:02, 16 August 2014 (UTC)[reply]

A link to where the original map was taken from, including a link to where the license can be verified, would be very helpful. J Milburn (talk) 16:38, 17 August 2014 (UTC)[reply]

If you're looking towards FAC, you may want to consider these...

I'd personally like to hear a bit more about the flora and fauna (and fungi?) of Stroma. Any studies?

I've looked but couldn't find anything, I'm afraid. Prioryman (talk) 22:02, 16 August 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Some people may pick you up on not-so-neutral language- "treacherous" seas and the like. There's a lot of that in the section about wreck salvage
I'm happy with the sources for GAC purposes, but be prepared to defend the sources you do use at FAC. Reference formatting (for example, whether and how you cite publisher locations) will be gone over with a fine-toothed comb, and books from smaller publishers may be scrutinised. Page numbers for the newspaper articles which aren't online should probably also be provided. You should really cite the article (with author and page numbers) in Walker's Hibernian Magazine, rather than the whole magazine.

If you mean ref 68, the author and page numbers are already provided... Prioryman (talk) 22:02, 16 August 2014 (UTC)[reply]

You list the publisher- looking at digitisation, it seems no author is listed. I've added the title of the particular article you're citing; it's a periodical, rather than a book, so the way you cited it didn't quite work for me. It seems that volume/issue numbers aren't listed either... J Milburn (talk) 16:38, 17 August 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Great article, very enjoyable to read. I've never had so few comments for an article of this length. J Milburn (talk) 11:27, 14 August 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks, it's been a pleasure to write it! Prioryman (talk) 22:02, 16 August 2014 (UTC)[reply]

I've made some last fixes- I'm confident that (even aside from the small outstanding issues above) this is a very strong GA. Great work. J Milburn (talk) 16:38, 17 August 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Requested move 31 August 2019

The following is a closed discussion of a requested move. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on the talk page. Editors desiring to contest the closing decision should consider a move review after discussing it on the closer's talk page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.

The result of the move request was: Moved. (non-admin closure) Cwmhiraeth (talk) 09:29, 9 September 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Stroma, Scotland → Island of Stroma
Danna, Scotland → Island of Danna

– Per WP:WIAN this is the name on the Ordnance Survey[1][2] thus being consistent. Per WP:COMMONNAME the Gazetteer for Scotland[3][4], Canmore[5][6], Margaret Aitken, Ambaile, ScotlandsPlaces, Scottish MPA Project and Scottish Sea Kayak Trail. Although the names are tautological there are many other places that are also tautological, see List of tautological place names#Islands and per WP:USENGLISH this is acceptable. Even if the proposed titles weren't the best titles for these islands the new titles would avoid the need to comma disambiguate them per WP:NATURAL. HS uses "Island of Stroma" on page 513. Crouch, Swale (talk) 09:59, 31 August 2019 (UTC)[reply]

The above discussion is preserved as an archive of a requested move. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on this talk page or in a move review. No further edits should be made to this section.