Talk:Isham Jones

Cannot know Chart Positions for Early 1920s Records

Article says: The Isham Jones band made a series of popular gramophone records for Brunswick throughout the 1920s. He led one of the most popular dance bands in the 1920s and 1930s. His first successful recording, Wabash Blues written by Dave Ringle and Fred Meinken, was recorded in 1921 by Isham Jones and his Orchestra. This million-seller stayed twelve weeks in the U.S. charts, six at No. 1.[1]

The footnote cites an ASV CD, "Chart Toppers of the Twenties," as the source for the chart positions. The notes were probably written by Peter Dempsey, who would have been using one of the Joel Whitburn books as his reference source. There was no such thing as a hit chart before the "Your Hit Parade" program instituted the first one, late in 1935 or 1936. Whitburn's charts are concocted from a witches brew of alleged sales figures, local newspaper data and other sources, but it cannot be regarded as authoritative for the years before 1935. "Wabash Blues" was a very successful record, but there is no way that it sold a million copies or more; the economics and manufacturing end of the record buisness in 1921 did not allow for a single record to move quite that many units.Pinikadia 21:55, 15 August 2012 (UTC)Pinikadia — Preceding unsigned comment added by Pinikadia (talk • contribs)

I got all the dates, unsigned ghostTillywilly17 (talk) 01:40, 27 September 2021 (UTC)

* "On the Alamo" recorded 1922 (composed & published in 1911)

I have wasted too much time trying to verify this.

Here is the copyright

On the Alamo; words by Gilbert

Keyes and Joe Lyons, music by

Isham Jones [of U. S.] [9622'

© Mar. 17, 1922; 2 c. Apr. 12,

1922; E 538052; Tell Taylor, inc., Chicago.

and I found the assignment (I got the scan)

assigned on August 2, 1922 (1922-08-02) to Forster Music Publisher, Inc.

I even found the original copyright for Taylor's big hit

Down by the old mill stream ; words

and music by Tell Taylor. Chicago,

Star music pub. [19709

© Aug. 12, 1910; 2 c. Aug. 15,

1910; E 238432; Tell Taylor, Chicago, 111.

But nothing on this unsupported statement

(composed & published in 1911)

If anybody can confirm this, please do

Until then, it is removed

My info added to * "On the Alamo" page

Tillywilly17 (talk) 11:50, 26 September 2021 (UTC)

reorganization of the discography section

Without a pre-meditated plan, I did a reorganization of the discography section on this page. I was compelled by two song lists that contained at least a half-dozen duplicates, and were missing major hits, (Who's Sorry Now and The World Is Waiting for Sunrise, for example). I was guided by a spreadsheet list, already in sequential order (by catalog #s and release dates).

My goal was to create a solid list of eventful hits, without making the list larger than it was, which I did. Isham Jones has a substantial legacy of dominating hits during his prime, and he deserves a better accounting that what we had. What I did was productive, but made me more aware of how insufficient this section was and is. All the songs 1920-1925 made at least the top 5, are in sequential order, with very basic info. We can work together to identify all page links, add label and catalog info, etc., or just clean up the list as is if others do not share my evaluation. I hope nobody impulsively reverts the edit, which is based on my knowledge of his career and recordings, and corrects (what I saw as numerous errors and ommissions). I used Whitburn's listings as my basic guide.

If anybody wants to jump in and fine tune the list, great. 1930-34 still has to be reviewed, I can do that if needed, and also the pre-1920 stuff. Thanks. Tillywilly17 (talk) 00:18, 27 September 2021 (UTC)

""Kaintucky A Song Of The Blue Grass State" 1923 (Rare with incorrect spelling) Isham Jones music Gus Kahn lyrics Published by Leo Feist Inc New York"

I need a reference or a label/cat # please

Brunswick 2557

Isham Jones & his Orchestra

YOU'RE IN KENTUCKY SURE AS YOU'RE BORN

1924/01/15

George A. Little-Haven Gillespie-Larry Shay

is that it? Tillywilly17 (talk) 00:43, 27 September 2021 (UTC)

Kaintucky ; fox trot, Gus Kahn and

Isham Jones, of U. S., arr. Wm. J.

C. Lewis ; orch., with words. Feist

ed. 4to. © Dec. 28, 1923 ; 2 c. Dec.

28; E 578492; Leo Feist, inc., New

York. [© arrangement] 24252

ATT this is not original pub, it is sonebody ekse doing artangement , I will delete

• "Kaintucky A Song Of The Blue Grass State" 1923 (Rare with incorrect spelling) Isham Jones music Gus Kahn lyrics Published by Leo Feist Inc New York

for safekeeping!

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Brunswick 2350A Isham Jones Orchestra YOU GAVE ME YOUR HEART 9153 BR5171 New York, NY 1922/11/01 1923/02/15 Ted Snyder-Harry B. Smith-Francis Wheeler

Brunswick 2350B Isham Jones Orchestra THE SNEAK 9115 New York, NY 1922/11/01 1923/02/15 Brown

???????????

Brunswick  2646

Isham Jones & his Orchestra DOG ON THE PIANO CH128=9=30127/130CH

1924/04/25

Ted Shapiro

Brunswick 2646 Isham Jones & his Orchestra MAHSI 11608 - 1923/10/11

H. L. Alfor

Neither one of these made chart, Why are we including?? List a;ready too big

• "You Gave Me Your Heart" Brunswick 2350-A
• "The Sneak!" Brunswick 2350-B
• "Dog on the Piano" Brunswick 2646-A
• "Mahsi" Brunswick 2646-Bd
• "Meet Me in Bubble Land" 1919

If nobody shows up. I will overwrite all the useless unsourced statements

If nobody shows up. I will overwrite all the useless unsourced statements Tillywilly17 (talk) 01:43, 27 September 2021 (UTC)

Compositions vs. recordings

It's highly confusing to have a section titled "Chart-topping compositions 1920–1934," half of which are NOT Isham Jones compositions. This needs to be divided into two sections, one for compositions, and one for hits Jones had with other people's songs. I'll do it, and please feel free to revise.Jhlechner (talk) 15:22, 10 February 2022 (UTC)