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Two competing articles?

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Looks like we have two competing articles covering the same thing. I suggest we merge the material from MWW (which is a joky term invented by critics) to this page. 01:05, 29 September 2007 (UTC) —Preceding unsigned comment added by Sdedeo (talk • contribs)

I agree - these articles cover sufficiently similar topics that a single article would make more sense. A merger is a good idea. Terraxos 19:10, 30 September 2007 (UTC)[reply]
 Done - It seems that this merge was done back in January 2008. Jeff Ogden (W163) (talk) 06:16, 14 March 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Oppo Google.Wikipedia.myanmar (talk) 20:12, 22 December 2016 (UTC)[reply]

12. 23. 2016 Google.Wikipedia.myanmar (talk) 20:14, 22 December 2016 (UTC)[reply]

interesting info on the "intranet" question

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A user dropped by with a lot of interesting material; it's all here: Talk:Myanmar_Wide_Web, but I couldn't find any sources. We should definitely include it if we can. Sdedeo (tips) 22:29, 8 January 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Content from Kzl.zawlin

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The following content was added by Kzl.zawlin at 15:44 on 28 February 2012:

Myanmar wide web

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note: this stuff is copied from Talk:Myanmar_Wide_Web

MWW never existed in Myanmar. This must have been a result of confusions over the types of internet account. When Bagan Cybertech (BCT) first started operating in Myanmar, they sold two types of "access kits", one is called "Full Access Kits", which is sold by either FEC or USD. The kit include email account and allowed access to internet websites through the proxy servers operated by Bagan Cybertech, the same as any other ISP in any other country, although it was quite heavily censored. The user has to enter their username and password to access the proxy server and access to all pages were logged against the username, which is tied to the user's NRC number.

The second type of access kit is the "Intranet Access Kits", which is significantly cheaper and available to buy with Kyats, but only allow access to websites within .mm domains, i.e. local websites hosted on BCT servers and MPT servers. Users does not need to enter username and password to access these websites, however, should they wish to access any websites on the wider internet, they have to go through a process of requesting it through BCT web portal. The site request gets vetted and if allowed, user will be able to access the particular site for a period of time. Users are only allowed to request certain amount of site per month. This kit was favoured by many students and middle income family, who simply just want to experience the internet and use the chatrooms avilable on BCT server. The second access kit was discontinued after BCT CEO Ye Naing Win was arrested and the management of BCT falls under Ka Ka Set (Directorate of Signal) under Ministry of Defence. The new management decided that it would be pointless to continued the second access kits due to shortage of telephonelines for dialing in. Instead, they pushed out a new pricing structure on a single access kits to increase the revenue to help pay for BCT's debts. According to some reports BCT owe ShinSat over USD 3 millions at the time of Ye Naing Win's arrest.

In Any case, Myanmar Wide Web has never existed in Myanmar, it is just a product of confusion compounded by hardcore oppositions supporters bent on creating some juicy stories.

I would like to nominate this article to be deleted or replaced appropiately, unless it can be varified. All the information I have provided above can be varified directly with BCT by calling up BCT sales office or generally ask Myanmar internet users (not the ones from outside of myanmar) in general. Okkar 15:55, 8 January 2007 (UTC)

Bias

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This article fails to provide a balanced opinion because

  • "laws and regulations with large fines and lengthy prison sentences for violators" not sourced. the problem i have with this and generally most of the article's prose is that it presents the media-hyped view rather than sticking to facts or differentiating them when they might be relevant. for instance, most(as far as i can tell)prison or even death(not carried out yet and were former members from spdc), were politically motivated. it paints a very different picture whether a normal cybercafe going person is going to be subjected that kind of treatment.
  • References on law come from an organiztaion which is expressedly against the regime(http://www.blc-burma.org/aboutus.html). the mission statement starts with "By vigorously opposing all unjust and oppressive laws, and by helping restore the principle of the Rule of Law, the Burma..". whois commands reveals the domain to be in thailand or at least registered to a company in thailand. granted,in the lack of anything usable resembling a reference, this should be seen as possible view into the closed nation but not taken as fact.
  • the problem above is generally present in this article's selection of sources.
    • most sources are news articles.
    • their claim cannot be independently verified.
    • the organizations behind the articles are generally anti-regime.
    • as i have stated above, while they may be our only source of information, it should be conveyed to the user that sources come from opposite political ideology. what may help is probably the inclusion of news media that is neutral or supportive of the regime. xinhua(itself a dubious source)is the one that comes to mind and probably the only one.
  • failure to describe the actual mechanism of censorship. this is useful because it would help if the reader knows the sophistication of the method. using something like the great firewall of china and using opensourced content-filtering software tells a great deal whatever that may be. i have tried to remedy this in another section.
  • the section on blogging uses a "source" which is a ppt file on slideshare and the data is based on this http://freeonlinesurveys.com/rendersurvey.asp?sid=9a6oy3au0kgurai625943. saying nothing of methodogy(or lack thereof), the sample size is 349. for a survey that anyone can fill in, any possible conclusion is most likely meaningless data.

Understanding Censorship

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Rant

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I have always been somewhat annoyed with the media for its consistently screwed reports or "news" while the only cure it offers is "democracy" irregardless of the problem. If the followers of a much praised ideal must suffer collective loss of past-sight and foresight,why must creativity be a victim? it wouldnt hurt to try some interesting variations...i mean i understand that the personifications of national characters is all what i am seeing while the "real why" is buried behind huge volumes of background infos,the monotony of the drama is much in need of improvement...i freaking read news!!

So given that...you may need to grab a bucket of salt and possibly a larger bucket of water. You may also want to know that the LD50 of table salt is 3000 mg/kg according to google. Therefore, having a scale handy would be useful. Though I wounder whether water intoxiation will happen first. Maybe internal trauma, but I imagine a respectable deal of will power is required to overcome nausea http://quickcare.org/gast/nausea.html

ok..then

History and brief local context

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The reader would need to be aware of the internal struggle of SPDC in the evolution of the internet in myanmar. Khin Nyunt, was considered to be responsible for initial commercialization efforts through Bagan CyberTech(now called Myanmar Teleport),which is operated by his son Dr. Ye Naing Win(AFAIK). Only two ISPs existed, the other one being Myanmar Post and Telecommunication(MPT). Khin Nyunt's arrest in 2004 and the management changes in BCT may serve as a significant milestone. (Note:my knowledge after this is limited, someone else should elaborate on how the current ISPs came to be esp with regards to Htoo Group). Prior to these events, BCT operated a portal which has similar features to yahoo(news,web directory,email, forum etc). Most users frequent it for its forum. There was a prominant message in both burmese and english warning the user not to use any rude words or discuss political issues(both language descriptions are equivalent in terms of tone and meaning). All submitted posts are held in a queue and manually approved. Self-reported user participation on Feb 18,2006 reads as "There are 94469 Posts in 1790 Topics in 35 Forum.There are 36573 Forum Members". The last activity may be inferred to occur around July,2004(by looking at start post from latest available snapshot http://web.archive.org/web/20080224222810/http://www.bagan.net.mm/forums/index.asp). Note that significant amount of activity happened in long conversation like threads(most being games) so it may be quite off from the actual last posting date. as of feb 29,2012,access to the domain is denied.

Following his official 'retirement' on Oct 18 2004, the general sentiment of the public was of slight sympathy because he is usually viewed as a relatively liberal pragmatic. BaganNet announced in June 2005 that it's monthly broadband rates would double to $35 and suspended the creation of new accounts indefinitely(ref:ONI). ONI commented that "Bagan's troubles may seriously impede the spread of Internet access throughout Burma".

Here,I am going to take a slight deteour and list possible forces at work that are affecting myanmar.

Implementation

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The following is a gist how the impact of censorship is felt and made visible to the averge cyber-cafe going user rather than in-depth discussions on more technical details which are available via ONI's report such as this one(http://opennet.net/research/bulletins/013).

As of feb 2012,there are a few major isps(4?5?). The enforcement does not appear to be uniform across all the providers. In particular, a proxy may not be needed with some isps(ipstar dishes?).

  • Internet access is port restricted to 21,80 and 443.
  • This is made possible because the user must manually key in the isp supplied proxy server(ygncache.mpt.net.mm:8080...squid?ver?..total number of servers?) to access internet.
  • ref:ONI, at spring 2005,Bagan Cybertech used an open source content filtering software DansGurdian and primarily used a black list filter and url keyword match. ref:ONI for categories of sites/content blocked.
  • no dns manipulation(source? todo:)
  • no ip blocking(source? todo:)
  • no random reset,long timeout(source? todo:)(wiki:china firewall seems to use those?).this happens randomly and are treated as normal conjestion issues. An exception is the shutdown of internet during the monk-led demostrations in 2007.
  • to circumvent filtering, different methods were popular. ref:ONI bulletin
    • The ‘G-lite revolution’ depended on small-scale technologies in order for Burmese to be able to circumvent the firewall and gain access to the most basic of Internet services. ONI confirmed that both Burmese ISPs have blocked many of the more prominent circumvention tools, including Proxify, Guardster, and Anonymizer.(35) Gmail, Yahoo! Mail, Hushmail, and mail2web were blocked by both ISPs, while MPT took the precaution of blocking thirteen additional e-mail sites, including Hotmail and Fastmail.
    • in gist, circumvention tools fall into simple web-based proxies to socks(a local client usually needs to be installed which then intercept all outgoing traffic and send it through the filtering proxy to yet another proxy which fetch the content. seeProxifier) based redirectors(yourfreedom,hopster etc). No mention is made on usuage of more advanced protocols such as the onion router.
  • ONI(2005) claims that burma purchased Fortinet firewall product(specifically?). it also contains the correspondances with fortinet and ONI regarding this issue.
  • there are claims that burma uses WebSense in the current system.(?)

Cybercafes

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  • is this a craze?
  • effectiveness of state imposed bans and compliance.
  • Info on growth, revenue, sustainabiliy. how much to operate? how much is charged? average occupancy rate.
  • Most popular activities?
    • gtalk?surfing?gaming???
  • some owners of cybercafes subscribe to all main isps and either use a software or hardware based solution to dynamaically switch(simply switching or loadbalancing?) between the providers. this generally results in lower latencies and higher sustained bandwidth for the user.
  • before cybercafes, lan shops were popular among younger population(average high-school) for CS 1.6 matches.

Impact of Intermittent Electricity Availability

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Recent Developments

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  • censorship on the internet is slowly getting lifted(elaborate. which previously banned site is unbanned? port restrictions still in effect?). this follows the series of reformist moves by the current government towards greater liberalization.
  • censorship in other media(weekly journals,public performances).even though the laws(which?) are still in effect, no action has been taken and critisim/political discussions are prevalent in popular weekly/bi-weeklyt journals/magazines(ref?).

Sources

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maybe it's a good idea to have a collection of 'reliable' sources where you are looking for facts rather than entertainment. i listed some below.

Note:These are not restricted to internet related reports.

End of material added by Kzl.zawlin at 15:44 on 28 February 2012

response to Myanmar wide web

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This is the first of what will be several responses to the long comment entered above by Kzl.zawlin on 28 February 2012. It will likely take me several days to work through all of the issues.

The section "Myanmar wide web" is taken from a Talk:Myanmar_Wide_Web comment entered by Okkar in January 2007. The Myanmar Wide Web article was merged into this article in 2008. I assume that most or all of Okkar's concerns were addressed at that time. Still it seems that the name "Myanmar Wide Web" is used less frequently in sources today than it once was and so I made changes to further deemphasize, but not completely remove, it in the current article. Jeff Ogden (W163) (talk) 18:06, 15 March 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Bias

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This is the second response to the long comment entered above by Kzl.zawlin on 28 February 2012.

In the sub-section with the heading "Bias" the claim is made that "This article fails to provide a balanced opinion because" followed by 9 bullet points outlining what Kzi.zawlin feels causes the article to be biased. I don't agree that the article is biased, but that is not to say that the article could not or should not be improved. Here are some comments on issues raised in the bullet points:

"laws and regulations with large fines and lengthy prison sentences for violators" not sourced.

That statement is in the lead to the article. References in the lead are not required when the lead is summarizing information that is covered in more detail in the body of the article, which this statement is. And in any case the lack of a source is only an indication of bias if the statement is untrue or misleading and I don't think that is the case here. The fact that Burma often imposes very harsh punishments for speech is reported and supported by many sources, in both the press and in non-press sources.

the problem i have with this and generally most of the article's prose is that it presents the media-hyped view rather than sticking to facts or differentiating them when they might be relevant.

If there is hype in the article, it should be reworded. But, unless there is evidence that the claims being made are untrue or are not supported by reliable secondary sources, this is not an indication of bias. We need very specific complaints about where the article is not "sticking to facts". My reading of the article indicates that it does a pretty good job of giving and sticking to facts and providing references to reliable secondary sources to support them.

for instance, most (as far as i can tell) prison or even death (not carried out yet and were former members from spdc), were politically motivated. it paints a very different picture whether a normal cybercafe going person is going to be subjected that kind of treatment.

If the prison or death sentences were or were not politically motivated or directed at members of the SPDC isn't relevant as long as those sentences were enforcing censorship or were designed to intimidate others into exercising self-censorship. There have been some recent amnesties granted and a number of people have been released. I will work to update the article to include these recent developments.

References on law come from an organiztaion which is expressedly against the regime (http://www.blc-burma.org/aboutus.html). the mission statement starts with "By vigorously opposing all unjust and oppressive laws, and by helping restore the principle of the Rule of Law, the Burma..". whois commands reveals the domain to be in thailand or at least registered to a company in thailand. granted, in the lack of anything usable resembling a reference, this should be seen as possible view into the closed nation but not taken as fact.

Those two references are to a list of the laws in English and to the English text of one of the main laws that applies to Internet censorship. I don't see how that type of information could be biased no matter what organization is providing the information.

the problem above is generally present in this article's selection of sources.

  • most sources are news articles.
  • their claim cannot be independently verified.
  • the organizations behind the articles are generally anti-regime.
  • as i have stated above, while they may be our only source of information, it should be conveyed to the user that sources come from opposite political ideology.
Some, but not all, of the sources cited are news sources. And while some of the sources cited are the "exiled media", others such as the BBC and GlobalPost are not. Non-news sources include the OpenNet Initiative, Reporters Without Borders, Freedom House, and the MIT Press. The telling thing for me is that all of these sources paint a quite consistent story about Internet censorship in Burma and that story has been consistent over many years. While it is hard to independently verify some information about a tightly controlled country such as Burma, the fact that the various reports from press and non-press sources all tell the same story goes a long way toward supporting the article as a whole and its use of the available sources.

what may help is probably the inclusion of news media that is neutral or supportive of the regime. xinhua (itself a dubious source) is the one that comes to mind and probably the only one.

If there are articles from reliable secondary sources that provide additional information or a different perspective, it would be good to include them. I encourage people with an interest to do that. However, the lack of sources "supportive of the regime" does not in my opinion indicate that the article is biased. I am not a subscriber to the view that an objective article has to include all sides of an issue absent any judgement about the validity of those views. The key thing is to cite a number of reliable secondary sources that hopefully, when taken together, support a consistent view of the issues. I think this article does that by citing a number of different sources, some of which are not news sources as well as some news sources that are not "exile" news sources.

failure to describe the actual mechanism of censorship. this is useful because it would help if the reader knows the sophistication of the method. using something like the great firewall of china and using opensourced content-filtering software tells a great deal whatever that may be. i have tried to remedy this in another section.

I agree that adding this information would be useful, if it is known and reliable sources can be found. I encourage anyone with an interest to expand the article along these lines. I do not think that the lack of this information makes the article biased.

the section on blogging uses a "source" which is a ppt file on slideshare and the data is based on this http://freeonlinesurveys.com/rendersurvey.asp?sid=9a6oy3au0kgurai625943. saying nothing of methodogy(or lack thereof), the sample size is 349. for a survey that anyone can fill in, any possible conclusion is most likely meaningless data.

I added a note to make it clear that the survey is a non-scientific survey. Having done that, I don't think that the use of this survey information shows a bias unless someone can cite other sources that show that the summary presented does not reflect the responses to the survey or that the survey was conducted in a manner designed to bias the responses. The results of the surveys were cited in a report from ONI [oops, sorry, but this was cited by Freedom House in Freedom on the Net 2011 and not by ONI -Jeff Ogden (W163) (talk) 03:30, 16 March 2012 (UTC)]. As long as we label the survey as non-scientific and provide a reference to the source, I think we can let individual readers draw their own conclusions about how meaningful or meaningless the data is.[reply]

Jeff Ogden (W163) (talk) 19:50, 15 March 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Understanding Censorship

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In the material that Kzl.zawlin entered above on 28 February 2012 everything from the heading "Understanding Censorship" to the end seems to be a list of notes, a very rough draft, or an outline for additions and improvements to the article with a rant or two included as well. Some of the material would probably make for good changes to the article. Some of it seems to be material that the article already covers. Large portions are historical or background information about Burma that are very general and not particularly focused on Internet censorship issues. This historical and background information may already be covered in other articles on Burma. If some of it is not, then it would be better to include the information in those articles rather than in this article, which is more narrowly focused on Internet censorship in Burma. It might be appropriate to include pointers/links to the history or background in other articles when that information is particularly relevant to understanding Internet censorship in Burma. None of the material is sourced, although there is a collection of sources given at the end that covers a very wide range of topics and some of which are already used in the article. All in all a lot of work for someone who has an interest in this subject. I don't think that any of this material supports the claim that the article is biased. -Jeff Ogden (W163) (talk) 03:05, 18 March 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Removing the POV tag?

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On 28 February 2012 at more or less the same time that Kzl.zawlin entered his comments on this Talk page above, he added a POV template to the article that says:

As I explained above, I don't think that the article is biased. In the time since the POV tag was added there has been no effort on this Talk page to "resolve the dispute" other than Kzl.zawlin's initial entry and my own responses. My intention at this point is to wait several more days and if there aren't additional comments entered on this talk page supporting the idea that the article is biased, I will remove the POV tag. I think adding inline templates to the article together with specific comments on this Talk page or making improvements to the article by editing specific portions would be better ways to improve it and to resolve any problems that the article may have. Some inline templates to consider are: POV-statement[neutrality is disputed], dubious[dubious – discuss], lopsided[unbalanced opinion?], undue-inline[undue weight? – discuss], Better source[better source needed], verify credibility[unreliable source?], and update after[needs update]. -Jeff Ogden (W163) (talk) 03:42, 18 March 2012 (UTC)[reply]

 Done - I removed the POV template. -Jeff Ogden (W163) (talk) 16:38, 22 March 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Removed spam masquerading as referenced material

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I BOLDly removed two particularly egregious sections of the article, which were merely advertising/promotion/link spamming masquerading as referenced material. The only references to speak of in the sections were mere links to the individual companies' websites. And while there was a February 2000 New York Times article mentioned in the latter section, it turns out that it made no mention of the companies listed in that section, and merely supported the claim that the companies listed were among those generally referred to in such article. I don't think this was a printed article by the way; neither LexisNexis nor Westlaw, which index the relevant periods, display the article in question, though it is available on the NYT website: Crampton, Thomas (2000-02-24). "Internet Expected to Offer Big Boost to Developing Nations". The New York Times Company.. Anyhow, just thought I'd explain my removals in a bit better depth than edit summaries permit. —/Mendaliv/2¢/Δ's/ 12:21, 2 April 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Thank you, Mendaliv! --Atlasowa (talk) 17:25, 2 April 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Situation in May 2015

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I have made a few edits based on my experience in May 2015 in Yangon. I have not found any blocked sites and have stumbled on an opposition web site. Smart phones are everywhere. There are 3G phone networks and one 4G that shows on my phone. The shops are also selling 3G wifi routers which are popular.

Internet speeds are not great, especially during busy times of the day. The hotel where I am has what I am told is a fibre connection, which is OK outside of peak times. The office has and ADSL line which is painfully slow during working hours. 3G is reported to be quite good, but I have not tried it myself.Davidbstanley (talk) 14:48, 25 May 2015 (UTC)[reply]

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Myanmar

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Internal Google.Wikipedia.myanmar (talk) 20:10, 22 December 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Com&Com

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--Tracydao0205 (talk) 09:48, 20 January 2017 (UTC)[reply] 

Communication & Commerce (Com & Com Co., Ltd), is a joint venture company established between Terabit Wave (Myanmar) and OSB JSC (Vietnam) and was founded on November 20, 2014 in Yangon. Ones of their first service is called ONET,VSAT service provider. 
 ONET, the short name but fully potential services connected over satellite that can reach most areas nationwide in Myanmar. ONET can fill the gap, which is still needed to cover event many other operators in mobile phone and fiber cable are rapidly deploying their network and service through the country.
 Com&Com strive to heighten public awareness and trust towards telecommunication and mass media by continuously signifying the role it plays in both social and business development telecommunication. Along with the tempestuous developments in the current field of information technology and mass media in Myanmar and on the global scale at large, Com & Com’s founders, with their vast expertise in management and professional experience are currently spearheading a team of responsible and enthusiastic staff to deliver a solid foundation for Com & Com, which will ensure its stable growth in the future. 
 Com & Com envisions the use of VSAT to enhance the quality of lives for the Myanmar people and organizations. With Com & Com, you are guaranteed to always stay connected, everywhere.

--Tracydao0205 (talk) 09:48, 20 January 2017 (UTC)--Tracydao0205 (talk) 09:48, 20 January 2017 (UTC)--Tracydao0205 (talk) 09:48, 20 January 2017 (UTC)--~~[reply] 

For many years, Myanmar is disconnected to the world in many areas including telecom and internet. The Myanmar Government opens the telecom market that allows both local and international companies invest and providing services to the nation. 
From Vietnam, many companies who growth up from the period of market open, developing their business together with booming of information technology and telecom sector in country, interesting in doing business in Myanmar. One of them, OSB is a company doing system integration and providing service, which having license given by Vietnam Government for network infrastructure and satellite services, have been setting up a joint venture company in Myanmar name Com and Com. The cooperation between a Vietnamese company with expertise on system integration and providing services and Myanmar company who have strong capability in doing business in telecom in local market has been smoothly developing and today it brings the service to market.
ONET believe that with the service level agreement, reliable, efficient bandwidth control, committed quality and with the strong technical experience team from Vietnam and Myanmar, very helpful supporting from local Terabit wave, ONET is the use of VSAT to enhance the quality of lives for Myanmar people and organization.

Registered Name  : Com&Com Co., Ltd Company Address  : No.41, Room No.9, Alfa hotel Building, Nawaday street, Dagon Township, Yangon, Myanmar Telephone Number  : + 95 1 255 995 Hotline  : + 95 945 444 63 64 Fax  : + 95 1 255996 Website  : http://www.comncom.co/

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Notes in improving this article

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Hello, I was thinking about contributing to this page because while the article does have many components and is not much of a stub, it does have a lot of outdated information; the top of the Wikipedia page literally states that the article needed updates even in 2013. I can definitely update the article on internet access with current (or at least more relatively new) information. I also want to add more information in regard to the internet in Myanmar during these times of conflict with the Rohingya crisis. (especially with all of the turmoil within the country recently). Some potential sources: http://www.lirneasia.net/wp-content/uploads/2016/07/GSMA_Myanmar_Gender_Web_Singles.pdf http://www.jstor.org/stable/pdf/23471144.pdf?refreqid=search%3Aaa4e70d4ca1e802d28473506ea3eec1f http://www.jstor.org/stable/pdf/41148433.pdf?refreqid=search%3Aaa4e70d4ca1e802d28473506ea3eec1f http://www.jstor.org/stable/pdf/10.7249/mr1382osd.10.pdf?refreqid=search%3A5f1ca364b7c142c679c127c6c72ddb24 http://journals.sagepub.com/doi/pdf/10.1177/2050157917689950

^ What do you all think about some of these sources? Isha9 (talk)

Peer Review

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Hello! This article does a great job at stating neutral information. It presents multiple sources and perspectives on the issue of internet in Myanmar. As well, it provides a comprehensive overview of the topic. However, I do think this article's organization can be improved and sections need to be more directly connected to Myanmar's internet situation. As a reader it was hard to follow the subgroups of information. There were two main sections the "Access and usage" and "Censorship" that are each broken into four vague subcategories. It might be useful to create an entire section for "History" in order to go more in depth into the listed "journalists and bloggers" because right now their relevancy to the internet issue in Myanmar is lacking. This history section should also be considered to add after the lead section to provide context for the readers. This would allow the a brief summary of what has already been done for this issue and how Myanmar got to this point before discussing what it looks like today. I also think it would be beneficial to utilize more sources throughout the article. There are a substantial amount of resources listed but for instance in the subsection, "Recent reforms" there are only two resources cited; whereas the list in the "History" section has a different source for each bullet point. Alyssaamoreno (talk) 21:58, 22 March 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Hi Alyssa! Alyssaamoreno thank you so much for your suggestions! While I think it's on the article in general, I am the one contributing to this article for UGBA 39E, and I am definitely using your advice. I am actually somewhat focusing on the "History" section, so I think that I will definitely move the "History" section to the front (correction: move that subsection to the front of it's section), and contribute a lot to said section. Thanks again! Isha9 (talk) 00:56, 1 April 2018 (UTC)[reply]

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