Talk:Ilium/Olympos

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Science Fiction Mid‑importance

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Soft Sci-Fi?

Granted, it is not the hardest sci-fi around, but with nanotech, Calabi-Yau manifolds, quantum mechanics, etc. does not seem soft to me. Though no scientist, Dan Simmons still manages to put some solid science in his work, something that still will look fresh some years hence.

Cut the man some slack.

--N. Macchiavelli 01:13, 31 January 2008 (UTC)

From Soft Science Fiction article: "Another sense is SF that is more concerned with character, society, or other speculative ideas and themes that are not centrally tied to scientific or engineering speculations."

I think that it's fair to say that the science is not the main focus of the books, rather future technology is used as a device to tell a story focused on character interaction. So, by the defininition referenced above, Illium/Olympos would be "soft."

Contrast to 2001 or I, Robot where the story is indeed focused on the science.

Godofbiscuits (talk) 21:38, 20 February 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Movie

Some references about the movie claim would probably be appropriate. blades (talk) 06:33, 15 May 2008 (UTC)[reply]

zeks

In russian "zeks" refer not only to prisoned scientists, but to all prisoners at all. More information about "zek" is in russian article "prisoner". — Preceding unsigned comment added by 178.165.100.159 (talk) 15:03, 7 March 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Style and (lack of) references

This article, while interesting, is not in an appropriate style for a encyclopedia article on a novel. It also contain almost no cites for any of the claims and interpretations it makes about the what the book is saying and how it was writing. It reads more like a personal essay and is rife with WP:OR. For example, the long list of characters and gadgets is of no interest to someone who hasn't already read the book. Ashmoo (talk) 09:00, 7 April 2015 (UTC)[reply]

I agree. The entire introduction is original research that reads more like a student paper in a first-year lit class than an encyclopedia entry. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Kinshane (talk • contribs) 21:19, 18 April 2015 (UTC)[reply]

I (belatedly) also agree. In particular, I can't see the claimed similarity to the work of Ray Bradbury. JH (talk page) 09:59, 6 October 2017 (UTC)[reply]

Time frame

The plot's time frame may be notable. In Olympos, either Mahnmut or Orphu says that their current time is "7,000 years" after the Trojan War and "4,000 years after Heinrich Schliemann", which would place the book's plot at around 5,800 CE. --79.242.203.134 (talk) 17:36, 19 October 2017 (UTC)[reply]